When I wrote a post about the recent changes of EPF effective from 1st Sept 2014, I found that many employees not aware about the basic things about EPFO. Employers use this as a tool to modify the rules to their wish. Hence, thought to summarize the basic things in this post.
Note-We have deactivated the comment section for this post. Hence, if you have any doubt regarding EPF, you can raise thm in our BasuNivesh Forum.
Latest News-
- 4 EPF withdrawal changes effective from Feb 2016
- Now you can withdraw EPF without your employer signature. Read my latest post on the same “New EPF Withdrawal Forms-Withdraw without employer signature“
- Check EPF (Employee Provident Fund) balance through Mobile Phone SMS
1) Which establishment or company eligible for this scheme?
This scheme applies to all companies or establishment, which employs 20 or more than that. Do remember that once the employees’ strength reaches to 20 or more then irrespective of employee strength (whether fall or rise) the company must continue with this scheme. However, suppose company or establishment stopped its operation or continue without any employee then in that case this scheme not applicable. In addition, employee if considered as trainee or apprentice will not be covered under this act.
2) Which employees are excluded from this scheme?
- An employee who was a member of this scheme and withdrawn all amounts of his contribution based on either retirement from service after attaining age of 55 years or who migrating abroad for permanent settlement.
- An employee whose salary (BASIC+DA) at the time of entry into scheme more than Rs.15, 000.
- If a member is considered as an apprentice then he will not come under EPF.
3) What do you mean by salary for this purpose?
Salary for this purpose is only BASIC+DA. Also remember that if your salary at the time of entry is Rs.15, 000 or less than that, but after a few years or a month if your salary revised then raised to more than Rs.15, 000, then in that case too member must continue with this scheme. So for example, this month your salary is Rs.14, 000 and you are a member of this scheme. But in March 2015 your salary revised and crossed the limit of Rs.15, 000 then too you need to continue with this scheme.
Only employees who are eligible to stay away from this scheme are those whose salary are more than Rs.15, 000 at the entry of employment.
4) What is the contribution percentage of employer and employee?
The detailed, recent changes are written in my earlier post. Please go through it and available in below link.
5) Whether one can mention nomination?
Yes, one needs to nominate for EPF. This helps to get the money in case of sudden demise of member. Usually if the member is married, then he should nominate to spouse or kids. If he is unmarried then he can nominate his parents. Brothers or sisters are not allowed for nomination. However, one can mention multiple nominations and must disclose the percentage of sharing. In addition, if member doesn’t have any family members then he can nominate anyone of his choice. Do remember that once the member acquire a family, then such nomination will become void.
6) What about arrears if one receives due to salary revision?
Salary revision is considered a normal hike. Therefore, any such arrears payable to the employee are subject to EPF deduction.
7) Whether an employee contributes more than 12% of his salary?
Yes, you have the option to contribute more. But the employer has no such obligation to match your contribution. Such contribution is called Voluntary Provident Fund (VPF). Interest benefit will be same as that of EPF.
8) Who is responsible to deposit to EPF Scheme?
Your employer has whole responsibility to deposit all amounts, which is deducted from the employee as well as an employer contribution.
9) My employer deducting his contribution from my salary, whether it is legal?
According to EPF rules, an employer can’t deduct it from employee salary. It is illegal. I found that after revising rules from 1st Sept 2014, few employers started to deduct their contribution from the employee. This is illegal.
10) Whether my employer can split salary components after 1st Sept 2014 to reduce his contribution towards EPF?
This was happening since the latest changes and many of the readers of my post mentioned this. But such activity is also considered as illegal. Please read below lines of rules, which by Fund Commissioner. I found this information HERE.
“Any agreement entered into between the employer and its employees for splitting of the amount payable by the employer to its employees for the service rendered by them, cannot take away the power of the Commissioner under Section 7A of the Act to look into the nature of the contract entered into between the employer and its employees and decide that splitting up of the pay payable to the employees under several heads is only subterfuge to avoid payment of contribution by the employer to the provident fund. It was open to the Commissioner to lift the veil and read between the lines to find out the pay structure fixed by the employer to its employees and to decide the question whether the splitting up of the pay has been made only as a subterfuge to avoid its contribution to the provident fund.”
11) Whether I am eligible for withdrawal of EPF? What will be tax treatment on the same?
Both the questions are already answered in my earlier posts and links will be below.
12) Whether EPFO comes under RTI?
Yes. This being Govt. Organization, it will come under RTI Act.
13) Is it legal to withdraw EPF during job?
It is illegal if you withdraw your EPF during typical job change. One can withdraw EPF only if one has no job for 2 months. Otherwise withdrawing for any new job change is actually illegal. Rules allows only to transfer in case of job change.
14) How you can receive EPF withdrawals?
Currently any EPF withdrawal will be credited to beneficiary bank account directly. So no need to worry.
15) How is interest calculated on EPF Account?
You can view the detailed explanation about the same in below link.
Hope above few important questions resolve your doubts 🙂
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Mohammad M Khan
Sir,
I am Mohammad M Khan , I have checked my PF withdrawal status. It looks like my PF form has been rejected due to some reason and rejection letter has been dispatched to my address . I have not received it yet and i am not able to send them other form as i don’t know the actual reason why PF office reject my form .
Can you please investigate the issue and let me know what exactly the problem was, because of that they reject my form.?
STATUS for Member ID: PYKRP00192140000199184
Claim ID : PYKRP160500005087
Status : Claim Form 31 for PF Advance AGAINST Member Account No (PYKRP00192140000199184) has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim.
Reason of rejection: The reason of rejection is not available in database. You may please contact RO/SRO KRPURAMWHITEFIELD for further details
Now I see another information in the bottom>>Remarks by DA/AO:APPLICATION SUBMITTED AFTER MARRRIAGE/OK
I work for Ibm India and sent all the documents before my sisters marriage..Iam very tense and depressed, Please help.
Regards,
M M Khan
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Khan-Please contact EPFO Greviance Cell Online.
Thyagarajan N
Hi,
Our firm wound up last day of 2015. We have been paying minimum admin charges of 100 (75+25) since then. Inadvertently we missed paying this amount for May payable in June. Any idea how we can generate a challan & pay for a previous month.
TIA
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Thyagarajan-I am not an expert to guide employer. But suggest you to contact the local EPFO.
ashad
Hi sir, sorry for disturb u again,
i worked in Tech mahindra for 6 month and i absconded from there and joined in new company.i have PF number for both company.
1)Is it possible to get the UAN number from the current company ?
2)is there any way to get the PF amount from my last company?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashad-1) If you already have UAN then use the same. If not then let your current employer activate the new one.
2) Yes, without employer signature you can do it. Otherwise, you can opt for online transfer using OTCP portal of EPF.
asha
so u r saying that absconding wont make a problem in PF transfering
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Asha-Absconding may be an issue for employer. But as per EPFO rules it is NOT.
ashaa
so with out the help of old company i can transfer the old pf amount?there is no approval need from their side?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashaa-Approval required and they have to approve. You no need to worry.
Satish reddy
Today i went PF office to submit withdrawal forms and submitted successfully. therefore it will be rejected because personal detail like NAME, D.O.B, wrongly registered and this fault is from employer. so please provide solution wheather i can go legally or not
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Satish-If they are wrong, then let them rectify (your employer).
srikanth
Hai, my previous employer not credited my pf amount in pf account (i.e 9 months pending out of 21 months) and current employer said that if your account is transferred from previous employer to current employer then you lost your pending amount. plz tel me what i do now. my mail id is : srikanthbcm14@gmail.com.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Srikanth-If it is transferred, then it is not lost. He is giving you wrong information.
Geetha
Hello sir,
In EPF ECR file where to put the four month epf arrear amount along with the monthly contributaion (ie) in june month contribution and jan, feb, mar, apr arrear amount in Ecr.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Geetha-I am not an expert to guide an employer.
MINTU KUMAR
Dear sir,I am giving you more clarification..
I have joined the institution on 1st april 2013 .In first whole year(1st april 2013-31march 2014) my pf was not deducted..
Please make me more clear.
MINTU KUMAR
Dear sir,
Please clear my doubt regarding deduction of PF.
I joined an institution on 1st april 2013,from 1st april 2013 to 31 march 2014 my pf was not deducted.my salary was Rs 25000 consolidated.can employer do this?is it legal or illegal.Please answer.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mintu-How can in middle an employer suddenly stop contributing to EPF? It is illegal.
ashad
Hi sir, i have UAN number and im geting my passbook in the portal,now i joined in new company and i got new pf number.how can i merge this to my existing account?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashad-Apply for transfer using OTCP.
Dev
Some of my employees want to opt out of pf scheme as they are geting more than 15000 per month salary, i got to know that they are required to fill and submit form no. 11. My doubt is in form no. 11 point no. 17 where KYC details are required , they need to fill up bank details with IFSC code and it is mandatory . if an employee doesn’t want to enroll in PF scheme so why he/she need to fill the bank details???? Is Form no. 11 acceptable without bank details if the employee is already opting out of PF scheme in new employment. ?????
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dev-Once they are member of EPF, then they have to continue even if their salary raise in middle.
ALEXANDER RODRIGUES
Dear Sir,
Kindly advise on the following queries:
1. Whether PF is payable on Salary Advance? (Company is not in operation for the past 36 months and all employees have been asked not to report for duty, except 10 essential employees who are paid close to their take home pay a round sum amount per month which is treated by the Employer as Advance in its books of account)
2. The Employer has assured these 10 essential employees that if the Company restarts or otherwise the actual salary will be calculated at a later date and the balance amount will be paid to them, if any, after deducting the monthly advances paid. So also they will remit the PF dues for the past period. Is this arrangement in tune with the EPF Rules?
3. In case the Employer settles the 10 Employees in the 39th month as per point no. 2 above, whether the Employer is liable to pay Interest, Penalty and Damages for the past 39 months? (or can the Employer argue his case with the RPF commissioner saying the liability of PF has only crystallized in the 39th month and hence not liable to Interest, Penalty and Damages)
Regards,
Alex
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Alexander-1) YES (as per my knowledge).
2) I am not sure of this situation.
3) Check with labour laws.
P VENKATARAMANI
Dear Sir,
Similar to EPF is there any provision in ES|We should calculate the ESI contribution towards arrears salary !!!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Venkataramani-I am not expert in that ESI.
KANHAIYA LAL AGRAWAL
under EPF act employees limit is 20 Either It Get becomes 10 or not amend..plz tell me celling limit after that its become compulsory..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kanhaiya-What is 20 and 10?
KANHAIYA LAL AGRAWAL
IF THERE IS LESS THEN 10 EMPLOYEES BUT THIRTY LABOUR IS WORKING AS ON CONTRACT BASIS .IS EPF IS APPLICABLE ON ME
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kanhaiya-In my view YES.
Sundar Verma
Sir, My EPF Deduction is continuing from 2013 at that time my salary was 12000 and 12 % of my share and employer share continue to contribute up to this time But now my wages increases to 20000 and i want to continue my EPF Deduction, But from the employer side there are three option
1. Employer can contribute 12% of my current wage 20000.
2.Employer can contribute 12% of ceiling amount 15000 even if my total salary is 20000.
OR
3.Whether the employer has option to stop his contribution or is it mandatory for him to contribute 12 % of wage ceiling amount 15000 or 12 % of my salary 20000 as he wish.
Sir ! please clarify above doubt,
and if possible please give me link to get letter to show to Employer Regarding the correct rule that above is mandatory for him.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sundar-1st and 2nd option can be within legal framework. But third one (stopping EPF) is not possible to them.
Madhu
Hi Sir,
I am currently working with an MNC and getting my PF. I am switching to a startup which has only 10 employees and not covered under EPF. Can I continue to pay my employee PF part and continue with the old EPF number or should I withdraw PF amnount?
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Madhu-You can’t contribute. Hence, you can withdraw it.
ashad
hi sir,i worked in a company more than 4 months, now i changed my company i dont have UAN number.now i got new PF number,is that possible to get the old company PF amount?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashad-Ashad-Yes, you can trasfer it.
Nikhil
Hello,
I am unable to Transfer my PF from Previous Organization to the Current Organization. I tried it twice but bith the times it got rejected, the below message pops up on the EPFO Portal against my transfer claim.
Message : Remarks by DA/AO:NOT A MEMBER IN EPS SCHEME WHO HAS JOINED ON AFTER 01/09/2014 AND WAGES IS >= 15,000/- REVISE ECR/OK.
Can you please suggest on what can be done to this now. I do not think I am contributing to EPS or any thing then why this EPS message ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nikhil-I am not sure of this error message. Better you contact local EPFO.
Sanjay Kumar Baral
can a employer of a proprietorship firm be covered under PF and ESIC scheme if working as a manager to the firm???
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjya-If he is drawing a salary and employer falls under EPF, then he must.
Madhu
Hello Sir
This is Madhu I worked with a call center for an year and then moved to a core pharmacy job and they didn’t consider my previous experience and joined as fresher with a new PF account, Now i want withdraw my PF balance from previous account do we have any provision and will that be legal to apply it while i am employed in my new firm?
Its great to learn that you are helping people with PF issues and I hope you will assist me as well.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Madhu-Instead of withdrawal, you can opt for transfer.
Swapnil Salunke
Hello Sir,
I want to know is there any case or situation when your provident fund will be stopped by issuing authority after retirement. if exist what are those situation or cases…
Please revert me sooon….
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Swapnil-When you retire, then how can you contribute to EPF?
Swapnil Salunke
Dear Sir,
I mean to say that i have completed my 30 years service with government organization and retired at age of 58 then as per rules i am eligible for withdraw the pf …i have submitted all the documents to pf office for pf withdraw then can pf office stop my pf money….?what are reasons because of that i will not get my pf money …please reply me as soon as possible
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Swapnil-If you provided all information properly, then why they BLOCK?
Abhijith Vijayan
Dear Sir,
I am Abhijith Vijayan. I worked for a company more than 6 months and i took resignation from the company. Then i ask for the PF withdraw. But the HR told me to apply after 2 months of resignation. and i applied after 2 months. According to my offer letter which is i am received from the company is saying that they are deducting RS- 1800 from my salary and RS – 1800 employer contribution and when i joined the company my take home salary is 14,000 and after 2 months they increased as 16,000. I asked about the PF account details but the HR is telling that in that company employees don’t have PF account the company having more 250 employees in Bangalore they have branches in Mumbai and Pune, All over they have more than 1300 employee. Now i received Rs – 5721 the done NEFT transfer from the company. I asked for remaining amount according to my offer letter but now they are telling that wrong breakup in the offer letter. I have the offer letter from the company and also i have the experience certificate. How i will get my remaining PF amount ? or i will not get the remaining amount ?Please help me to get the remaining amount.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijit-Raise the issue with EPFO Grievance Portal ONLINE.
Abhijith Vijayan
Hi Sir,
Thanks for the reply
How can i raise the issue in EPFO grievance portal online? can you please guide me for that ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijith-It is easy…But everything can’t be explained here.
Amar Sen
All the members are out from our organization. We organization paid by online. Now how many amount are paid by our Organization. Also tell me which account.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amar-Please write your question in detail. I am unable to understand.
Ashit
Sir I am working in a IT company from last 5 and a half years. Now I have my H1B approved and I am going for two-three years to US. I have one doubt regarding EPF account. What will happen to it if there is no contribution for 2-3 years? What happen to it if I change my employer in US ? and the last question is What happen to Pf account if I join another company after returning back to india ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashit-Your account will earn interest up to 3 years. After that, it is considered as dormant account. If you return to India and join another company, then you can continue the same EPF account with new employer.
Ashit
Sir,
What is the procedure to activate the dormant account and how it will re calculate the interest if i activate ? and i have asked earlier also what if i change the employer in the US ? Should i withdraw the money from PF after 2 years ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashit-The only option is you start employment in India and start to contribute it. Job change in USA not affects your EPF. Now also, you can withdraw your EPF, if you are planning to do job in USA.
Ashit
Thanks in anticipation !!
Venkat
Ashit,
i believe that there is a provision for you to withdraw EPF by producing VISA copy along with withdrawal forms if your employment in your current company is discontinued (Removed from the payroll of India office)
It is better you contact HR team in your organization, they would be able to help do this.
Geetha
Hi Sir,
I left the company 2 months back but still they are not providing PF no?
What should i do? i word for 8 months in this company.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Geetha-You can check the same in your salary slip.
Venkat
Geetha,
Most companies mention the EPF account details in the payslips, you can check accordingly.
If it is not mentioned, you can check by searching in the below website.
http://search.epfoservices.in/est_search.php
Anjali thakur
Sir, my salary is 11000 nd my pf deduction is 535 rs nd they r cutting 1070 means double nd they r depositing it 535 in our account …nt showing it in our salary slip
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anjali-If they are not showing Rs.535 in your salary slip means what is an issue?
somnath dey
Sir if I take EPF No. Aagainst 20 nos labours. But I want to change two labours among 20 labours and enter another two labours,is this possible or not?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Somnath-I don’t know anything of guiding employer.
Anusheel Basudev
Dear Sir,
I want to know the maximum no.of days permissible for EPF calculation in a month for daily wage earners considering the fact that they get weekly off on Sunday.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anusheel-I think I replied in FB.
Dr.D.B.Kadam
I want to file a compliant against EPFO,Please see and try to correct , if any. Thank you in advance,Sirji
Sir I,am a employee of above Establishment since last 16 years as a full time em employee .My employer not paying salary to all employees including me since June 2013 due to what reasons know him/them best.So, obviously PF also not deducting from June 2013 and depositing to EPFO.
I ,want to know from your side the following information.
(1) Is it mandatory on the part of Establishment to pay the contribution on regular basis and/or under which circumstances should be relaxed and up-to what extent?
(2) Is this Illegal?Please Reply in detail.
(3)What will status of our /my Account after non-payment of contribution by Establishment after continuously last 36 Months? Will it becomes inoperative?
(4) Interest on the amount up-to May 2013 will be deposited in our/my Account by EPFO or not? If yes,then up-to what?
(5)What are the powers to EPFO to give relief in such case/(s)?
Please Reply this as early as possible since compilation of 36 months are at the edge of this month,to avoid further complication from your side.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kadam-I replied saying “Go ahead”.
D.D.Kadam
I am not getting my query,Sir. posted on 3 June 2016
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kadam-If you not able to view, then you can report is or ask in our Blog Forum.
Gopal Krishnan
Hi Sir,
I have been working for an MNC for over a year, and have been contributing towards PF (this is my 1st job). I plan to switch jobs, but the new organization is much smaller in scale. It does not have a PF component in the salary offered, which makes me a bit uncomfortable. I have a few doubts:
1. Is this legal? Is it not mandatory for all companies with more than 20 employees to have a PF contribution component?
2. In case I do plan to accept the offer, what happens to my current PF (I believe it is illegal to withdraw while switching jobs, even though it is widely practiced and not regulated)?
3. Can I ask the employer to make a contribution for me and make an exception?
Kindly advise.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gopal-1) YES. 2) You can withdraw as new employer not eligible for EPF rule. 3) You alone can’t contribute to EPF.
Tushar
Dear Sir,
As I am currently going to join a startup which has less than 10 people in their team. Thy don’t contribute towards PF. Now my current employer only allows for PF withdrawl if I am unemployed for 60 days. What shall I do in this case as they say they would be asking for a declaration from me that I am unemployed at the time of withdrawl
Thanks
Imran
Dear Basavaraj,
I have been a continuous subscriber of EPF for past 9 years. Now I have got a job opportunity in the gulf and I intend to work there for some years. I have a substantial corpus of more than 20L. Please let me know if it is a better idea to leave my PF as it is or should I withdraw both EPF and EPS.
What will happen to my EPF account if there is no contribution for 4-5 years. If it becomes inactive in 3 years, can I withdraw or reactivate it later when I come back to India.
Thank you
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Imran-Better to withdraw. Because the amount is huge and after three years of last contribution, the EPF account stops to earn any further interest.
Mohammed Imran
Sir, Should I withdraw both EPF and EPS, please suggest. And please let me know if there will be any tax liability on my withdrawal of EPF or EPS
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mohammed-You can withdraw both (But EPS will be based on tenure of your service as per Table D). If your service is less than 5 years, then it is taxable income.
Abhijit
I have withdraw my PF amount in the month of 2010 only and joined new firm which was not having PF account. Now they have opted PF number but rejected me on grounds that my salary is Rs.30,000. Can anybody do such ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijit-It is your rights to join EPFO or not, but not your employer’s. They can’t reject.
sampath
Sir I used to work for a private organization now am looking for a government job right now am unemployed.If I secure a govt job is it possible to merge these two accounts?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sampath-But first check whether your new employer provides you the EPF facility or not. If employer providing that, then you can transfer old account.
Alice
Hi
I had applied for PF withdrawal in the month of April 7 but i joined another organisation on may 16 can you advise as now my pf withdrawal got cancelled what will be my status of pf and what can be the possible further steps
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Alice-You can transfer it.
ARUN
SIR I HAVE A CONTACTED TRANSPORTER FOR OUR SCHOOL, CAN WE ELEIGBAL FOR DEDUCTED THE EPF
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arun-If you was hired as employee and your employer will come under EPS rule, then you are ELIGIBLE.
Sachin Arya
I have contributed to EPF for 2.5 years. Now i am not working since last 1 month and planning to do agriculture.
To avoid taxes i am planning to not withdraw the PF corpus for another 2.5 (i.e total 5 years). I am not contributing to PF for 2.5 years.
Will this be considered as continuous 5 year and there will not be any tax liability.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sachin-It is your contributory period that counted rather than how long you waited.
ausin
Mr.Basvaraj,
i left my previous company three and half years back and withdrawn all my pf amount, now our company HR showing us one clause that our PF has to be deducted as we have under PF scheme previously. Please advise
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ausin-Once you are member of EPF then you will be forever under same employer. But it is under SAME EMPLOYER. If your salary is more than Rs.15,000 (Basic+DA) per month, then you have rights either to participate or stop at beginning itself (but not in middle).
Yogendra Sharma
sir,
my salary is below rs.15000 and i didn’t want to opt for compulsory PF contribution is this possible or their is any format to come out of compulsory PF deduction.
Kindly guide me for the above issue.
Thank You
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Yogendra-It is mandatory for you.
mohan raj
sir i have to know one major information I am already have on pf account number from kerala based finanical company now am joined in another finacial company in tamil nadu but i didnt informed my perviours work place now my new company going to create new pf number to my weather the old pf number shows (or)not at the time of creating new pf number (NOTE ALL THE DOCOMENTS ARE SAME IN OLD PF NUMBER) PLS TELL ME SIR.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mohan-Why not you inform about your old EPF?
APTL
One of our employee voluntarily deducts PF on his total basic(i.e on 40000/- say 4800/-) and company pays 1800/- for the past 1 1/2 yrs. due to unknown reasons ECR generated from SEP-15 to JAN-16 by our consultant shows employer & employee contribution as 1800/- and is been remitted. Now company want to deposit the remaining 3000/- for the said period. kindly provide us the procedure.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
APTL-I am not an expert to guide employer.
Y S RAO
We have posted our query on behalf of employee not as an employer. Any way thanks for your valuable reply.
Rushika
Hi, i have joined a new company have completed 2 months, here they are deducting pf and i have received my pf number , but when i am checking my pf bal amount in my pf account it is showing the name and pf nunber does not match,also i have not received my UAN number, can you guide me what to do?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rushika-If name and other details not matching, then contact your employer immediately for the same.
Seema tripathi
Hi Basavaraj
My organization id deducting PF @ 12% of the basic. My basic is 40000 as a result of which my deduction is huge. I want to restrict my pf at 15000 now but since for the last 9 months it was on basic, my HR is not sure if this can be done. PLs suggest if the PF contribution ( employee & employer share ) for existing can be reduced to 15000 basic deduction.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Seema-YES.
Alok Mishra
Sir,
My name was sent wrong for the PF account when I joined the company in feb 2014.
But I came to know about this in 2015, I sent mail to employer finance department
Employer sent me correction form in feb 2016
I filled that and handover to employer with a copy of my document.
On 15 Apr 2016, I checked on PF portal, but it was not corrected.
I sent mail to employer to check on PF department.
Employer replied we have sent our request they will do at their convenience.
Then I asked my employer to provide me reference no./any receipt of our request. But employer denied to provide
I called to PF help-desk and came to know 45 days is more than enough
I sent mail to PF Vigilance. So PF Vig. sent a latter to the concerned PF Sub office on 10 May 2016.
Till date I did not get any update from PF sub office
Please let me know what should I do in this case
Warm Regards
Alok Mishra
alok974.uim@gmail.com
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Alok-First try to confirm whether your employer forwarded it or not. If forwarded then let them provide reference number.
Mangesh Kulkarni
Respected Sir,
In my previous organization I was member of EPF. My salary was Rs 30000/- P.M. EPF contribution was on Rs 15000/-. I have joined new organization on salary of Rs 40000/- p.m. New employer has also started contributing EPF on Rs 15000/- on mutually agreed condition since last one year. After 1 year of my service my employer has decided to stop contributing EPF suddenly. I would like to continue both contribution on Rs 15000/-.
Is it ok to stop my EPF contribution after one year? Please guide me so that I would be able to talk with my employer. Please inform me that my employer has legal right to do so or not.
Regards,
Mangesh Kulkarni.
9960500574.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mangesh-Once you are member of EPFO under that organization, then they can’t stop in middle. You can question them.
Srikanta Dev
My self Srikanta Dev. I leave my job since July-2015. Now I am in job less condition. My monthly payment was 14100 at that time. Please sent me a sample of 15-G filling form.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Srikanta-It is available on IT Department portal.
Rekha
Currently I am working in private company last 6 years. Now I want to say goodbye forever to my job in my life. My question is – Can I run my PF account on my own after leaving the job permanent.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rekha-NO.
Rekha
Can I run my PF account on my own after leaving the job permanent.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rekha-NO.
shiv
we pay our employee advance salary against notice period. so we can dedut esic or epf on his notice period salary or not pay full salary for notice period
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shiv-It’s basic+Da of notice period salary.
Sanu
My basic is 20,000. I want to limit my PF deduction to 12% of 15000 only. I read on some blogs that it is a cumbersome process and normally EPFO does not accept such applications. Can you please help me with this..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanu-If your basic+DA is Rs.20,000, then you can restrict it to Rs.15,000 only. It is not cumbersome. You have to inform the same to your employer.
SANU KUMAR
Thank you basavaraj sir,
Can you pls share any article or link with me to validate this to my hr as he says it is not possible at all. Searching for it but could not find any.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanu-You can get it from EPFO portal.
Mili
if someone iw working in Overesea, he is also assisting an indian company by online,, and that indian comapny is also paying for that, if I want to contribute also in PF, please let me know wheter it will be lligal or illgal.
Regards
mili
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mili-If the relation is employer and employee, then the concerned person will be treated as an employee and all benefits must avail to him also.
Mili
Thanks
I have UAN no and I have left pervious job, and joined new company, is it mandatory to transfer the amount form ex employer to new employer,
if i donot transfer now, will the interest will be cerdited or not
Regards
Mili
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mili-You no longer allowed to withdraw when you are in job. Hence, it is mandatory to transfer. You have to inform your UAN to employer. That’s it. Old EPF will continue with new employer.
Mili
Thanks vor your valuble suggestion and time
It means the interest will be contiue for old pf account, if it has transfered or not.
Regards
Mili
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mili-Yes, but up to 3 years ONLY.
Mili
I transfer all pf amount in current PF account then, Will I illigble for Intererst.
Regards
mili
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mili-YES.
Abdul GAffar
I have one question regarding UAN. I am regularly employed with one employer I have got one opportunity with another employer on contractual basis to work part time now the part time job employer wants me to give my UAN as he too will be deducting PF so in this context is is possible for both employers to credit PF contributions same time
thanks for answering this query
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abdul-Yes, you provide the same UAN to the new employer too.
Monica
if suppose we have hired the agency service regarding the IV class employee. what will be the salary according to the EPF. if suppose our authority is making their Basic 9000/- and agency has to remove his service charge amounting Rs.1000/- and remaining balance we have to give to the employee.
any rule is there that the agency can deposit only the employees EPF and ESI and not the management side?
so please give me the details for the same
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Monica-I am not aware of such thing to guide from employer perspective.
K.Guruprasad
I have worked for 8+ years in an organisation, before that I worked for few more organisations & all my PF accounts transferred to this organization. One & half years before, I have left this organisation for personal reasons & unable to find suitable job. The organisation is an exempted concern maintaining its own PF fund.
Since I have not got any job, I have applied for my PF refund. When I was in service, I have not opted for any pension benefit. I would like to know, whether I will get back my full PF amount or will there be any pension for me. Also, will there be any TDS .
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Guruprasad-You will get back full EPF amount and part of EPS based on Table D.
Matani24
Is it legal that both employer and employee PF is deducted from gross salary ???
Gross salary. : 15000
Deductions
employer PF : 924
employee PF. : 924
Professional TX : 200
Esic : 638+235
total : 2922
Net Salary. : 12078
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Matani-If it is from gross salary then no issue. As it is like cost to company.
Deepak
is this legal to deduct provident fund amount twice in one month from salary ? it means employer will not share their contribution
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Deepak-It is purely illegal.
Deepak
where and how i can report for this fraud ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Deepak-At EPFO Grievance Cell.
Hussain
Sir my question is,
There is an employer who has more than 20 employees. He is selling his business to another person in such a manner that the seller is only buying 13 employees of the seller. Now the question is what will happen to the EPF of the employees as their new employer is not liable to maintain EPF?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hussain-If the company sold to new entity and employer strength is below 13, then I THINK employees will not come under EPF.
Hussain Ali
Sir what if the employee is eligible to get the EPF i.e. his salary is below Rs 15000, but on the contrary the employer is not liable to pay the EPF as the strength is below 20 employee?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hussain-Then employee not eligible for EPF.
Jitesh Kothari
As an employer I have few questions. Would be grateful if you answer
1. I add a new employee to my organisation. His gross salary is 18000. Can I show complete salary as Basic&DA, so that employee get the exemption from paying PF. (Yes, If only employee agrees.). Also can he claim exemption if the salary is bifurcated in different heads. (Rs. 15500 basic&DA + 2500 HRA)
2. I had an employee working. Her salary was 12000. (7000(basic& DA) + 3500 (HRA) + 1500(conveyance allowance)) She resigned. When she resigned, she was being covered under EPF. After one month(unemployed for 1 month) she joins back and this time I have increased her salary to 15500. Do I need to still deduct PF.
a) Situation 1: Whole gross salary of is being sh0wn as Basic & DA
b) Situation 2: Basic & DA is 15,200 + Telephone allowance Rs. 300
3. Is there any rules in EPF governing, as to what would be the various salary components and how much would be the share of each salary component in the total gross salary.
Pls reply.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jitesh-1) It is between you and employee. I can’t say whether it is right or wrong.
2) If it is within 2 months, then she be continued in EPF.
3) EPF will not bother about employer or employee salary components. EPFO will only look at basic+DA. Hence, no such guidance.
Raghu
I Am an individual working on my own so i don’t have any PF .Some firm were i am working are asking for declaration of the same.Are there any Form for the same
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Raghu-You are self employed then EPFO act will not apply to you.
kumar
i resigned from my previous company and given the form to withdrawal . i want to know whether i can get emplyee contribution+employer contribution+ pension contribution.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kumar-Yes, full EE+ER+part of EPS as per Table D.
Sameer Shaikh
Hi Basavaraj,
I am newly join as a clerk in school and i am handling PF work there i have a query that 1 teacher went for maternity leave (Unpaid Leave) so how can i describe that in PF ECR means what i have to do for making ECR.
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
sameer-I am not expert of guiding an employer.
varun
my epf amoutn 670Rs. deducted from my salary but pass book shows only 441 Rs (Emplyee + employer cotribution). Why
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Varun-Cross check with employer.
bimla rani
i am working for last 21 years in govt office DSWB on contract. I have not given any pf benefit.
Preeti
Hi,
I have been working for a newly opened school for 9 months. This March I resigned due to pregnancy. Till the time I worked they didn’t provide the PF account details but they have been deducting from my salary. Even now when I ask them they aren’t giving any clear answers and asked me to wait as I will receive the accoint details shortly. Is it legal on their side to do this? Kindly guide what should I do now?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Preeti-If they deducted amount and not created account for you then it is illegal. Force them to share details.
Ravi Kapoor
Hi Sir,
Can we Deduct PF before getting the PF Registration?
Regardss
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ravi-How? It can’t be possible.
Ranjit Shaw
Sir I join company 1-Dec-2012 Basic salary 4,500 (EPF Deduction 12% RS 540) date of resign 30-7-2015
my totally withdraw money is 22000+8500=32500 lump sum
but my PF details in online company not deposit their employer part from 10 month.
My question is that this withdraw money is correct or wrong
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ranjit-It is hard for me to say. Better cross check the same with EPFO.
Sanjeet Keshari
Sir i have withdraw my pf money 2 march 2016 and again i have got a message form 10c (withdraw benefit) payment under process in 9 march but i don’t get any payment (alreaddy i have got 2 payment) but company was not deposit their employer share last 10 month but employer was deposit.
I again filop full and final settlment form,
but company not sign in this form at employer place.
how i can recover that money please suggest me
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjeet-First raise the issue with EPFO against employer of not depositing the money.
Swetha
Dear sir,
I resigned in my present company which maintains PF,but recently I got new job in another company.
In this new company they don’t maintain any PF,so should I claim my PF ?
Is there any option? Please suggest me
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Swetha-Please refer my earlier post “4 EPF withdrawal changes effective from Feb 2016“.
Sangeeta Kate
Can an EPF subscriber continues getting benefits of the same after changing job?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sangeeta-YES.
Santosh
Hi,
I have one query about EPF.
I want to contribute from my end a particular amount in my EPF account. My EPF account is 7 years old. Is their any way through which I can contribute as “Voluntary contribution” in EPF.
Please help me on this
Best Regards
Santosh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Santosh-Yes, you can do so. Contact your employer.
M.Manikandan
Dear Sir,
I had been working in a NGO for the last 6yrs. I got my pay as honorarium. So for my office wont deduct any PF or ESI. I want to know if worked in NGO there is no need to deduct PF is it true? Right now my pay is 13000. Kindly give a clear clarification please……
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Manikandan-Here the relation is employer and employee. So you are eligible for EPF.
RASHMI GOEL
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE GIVE SAME PF NUMBER TO TWO EMPLOYEES. A PREVIOUS EMPLOYEE HAD LEFT THE JOB AND BY MISTAKE WE ALOT HIS PF NUMBER TO ANOTHER EMPLOYEE AFTER TWO MONTHS.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rashmi-I am unable to guide this. Contact EPFO of concerned.
Prakash
Dear Sir,
I have continuously worked for 18 years and PF deducted & paid. Previously changed employment without informing to employer and joined new job. Hence old employer paid 2 months payment after joining new employment. New employer started with new account and paid for that 2 months also. but i want to transfer, and found the DOJ and DOR mentioned in Form 13. Kindly advice how to amicably to transfer without hassle.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prakash-Use the OTCOP of EPFO to transfer.
Prakash
OTCOP – means and whether this date of relieving and date of joining present in form? Because relieved in May but joined in April itself. Please explain.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prakash-That you have to cross check with current employer.
Prakash
Thank you sir.
Divashri Mathur
Hi. I have been employed for 3 years and have regularly had EPF cut from my salary. Now I am going to be a consultant on a project and want to know if I can contribute to my EFP fund, without the employer contributing.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Divashri-You can’t contribute on your own to EPF.
Nilesh
I am working in company from last 7 years and company strentgh is more than 20 from the beginning. But EPF Scheme was not implemented. EPF Scheme is implemented from last one year.
My EPF amount will be considered from my joining date or from EPF Scheme implementation date?
Write now my EPF account shows amount for last one year only.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nilesh-If you have EPF then EPS must also be there. Check with your employer.
rupal
Recently I have join a new company. According to its salary structure my CTC INR 18000 PM, and the Take home is INR 14400. It means INR 3600 are the total deductions, in which they are deducting PF of both employee’s part and employer’s part. But according to the EPF rules, only employee’s share will be deducted from its salary. Kindly advice the right information.
Regrads,
Rupal
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rupal-Nothing wrong in that. They are showing it in CTC.
RAHUL MEHTA
Hi Basavaraj,
I have a acquired a company which earlier had taken EPF registration as there were more than 20 employees. Now I(Co.) have contract with the agency which supplies labour and I(Co.) have less than 20 employees on my payroll. All employees on company payroll have basic salary of more than Rs. 15ooo. will I have to deduct any ESIC or EPF and will my company have to contribute any sum?
Please help in this regards.
-Rahul Mehta
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rahul-Once company strength reached 20, then the organization will comes under EPFO rules. Even though at later stage strength dropped to less than 20. If the existing employees salary more than Rs.15,000 and they are already members of EPFO, then also you have to continue in providing EPF facility to them. Only new employees whose salary more than Rs.15,000 and not willing to be part of EPF can stay away.
Taiyuv Khan
Dear Sir
My name is Taiyuv Khan
I have worked with MNC in Noida on Third party payroll for 3 years and and my vendor have also deduct the PF but i have Left the JOB on 31 Dec 2015.
My question is that can i withdrawal my full PF amount?
As per the new rule any employee can’t withdrawal the full PF amount wef 10 Feb 2016.
This rule is also applicable in my case?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Taiyuv-Yes, the new rule apply to your EPF account too.
rishikesh
Sir,
Good Morning,
First of all we thank for clearing our doubts in EPF.
1st i was worked in one pvt concern. There my EPF amount mentioned in my account was
Employee share – 22319
Employer share – 6836
Pension contribution – 13894
Total – 43049
Then i resigned my job and joined in another company. I transferred my above said EPF amount to my current EPF account. In that Employee share – 22319 & Employer share – 6836 got transferred. But the Pension contribution – 13894 was not transferred.
Kindly explain that why pension contribution not transferred to my current PF account. And is there any problem in my pension contribution transfer where i should ask for this payment. Kindly suggest sir.
Regards,
Rishikesh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rishikesh-It is happening with many. You raise the issue with EPFO.
akash
Hello sir ,
i have question , my company deduct 12 % EPF contribution from my salary , but when i check on EPF passbook , they only deposit 2 month EPF share from both side , current company experience is 7 month , but they only deposit 2 month EPF share , kindly please tell me what to do and what legal action will i take for this …..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Akash-If they not depositing it properly, then first warn them. If they not heed, then raise the complaint with EPFO.
Pratik
Dear Sir,
If any employee drawn basic salary below 6500/- P.M. then he should eligible for EPF Deduction????
Also let me know, What is minimum wages for deduction?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pratik-Now the limit raised to Rs.15,000. Deduction will be 12% of salary (Basic+DA).
sameer
sir,
at the time of joining my salary was more than 20000, so they give me option to opt out with epf and i did so, now i have to join new organisation and they were asking UAN. So is it mandatory to have UAN because i am not a part of epf.
help me out asap
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sameer-Yes, UAN is now mandatory. You can activate it online on your own.
Anupam Das
My ex employer was deduct employee & employer contribution from salary. I have joining letter where salary term mentioned is “salary” not “CTC”. Please inform me that deduction of employee & employer contribution from my salary is legal or not.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anupam-If it is from your SALARY then it is illegal.
rishikesh
Dear Sir,
i am working ad a designer under contract basis.i have doubt in my pf account
in my EPF account, i downloaded my accounts details. in that it has mentioned employee share , employer share , and pension contribution.
here the doubt is employee share = employer share + pension contribution ? (or) all amounts are separate amount ?
kindly clarify my doubt.. please…
Rishikesh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rishikesh-Employee share means your own share not employer share.
Alia
Good Afternoon Seniors,
Dear Sir,
Please guide me as I am little confused about which date of Leaving to mention in PF.
One of our employee has left on 30 January 2016 and joined new company on 1 Feb 2016. Now, in PF, when I mention 30 Jan 2016, as his date of exit, it doesn’t show in ECR. Please guide what should I do? I need to pay this month’s PF before 12th..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Alia-You must mention 30th Jan, 2016.
waseem jabbar khan
Sir My brother runs school ,
1.he deduct pf of some teachers and for some teachers he does not ,,is there any problem,
2.can he claim annual expense for the teachers whom he had not paid pf
3.is additional /out side teachers who is not on roll and had paid more than 10000 to 15000 pm,,is pf applicable for them.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Waseem-1) Yes, he can’t do so.
2) I am not sure about this. Because this question relates to employer.
3) Yes.
ajay singh
Dear Basavaraj ji,
I must commend your gesture to provide knowledge to people. My best wishes to you.
I too have a query .
We run a play school where we have employed teachers and maids getting salary less than 15000/- per month .
School hours are for 3 hrs only with normally 160 days working in a year .
Total strength is 23 employees which includes maids, drivers, sweeper and gate duty staff .
Teachers are 13 ( Dance teacher comes for 1 hour everyday and then goes away- 5days a week ) + 10 supporting staff .
pls enlighten :
Whether PF is applicable for such part time employment.
What about ESI ? applicability ..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ajay-Yes, EPF applies. But not sure about ESI.
Pratik
Hi Basavaraj,
I want to know, if a company has less than 20 employees and one of the employee salary is more than 15000, Do that employee require a PF account ? if not, Can he get a PF account ?
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pratik-If employee strength is less than 20, then organization will not comes under EPFO rules. Then where is the question of employee being contributor to EPF?
Shashi Pawar
Sir, in above case if the organisation have a EPF account and some member are contributing in EPF, but some new joining are there with salary 10000 to 15000 then all of them have to contribute for EPF.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shashi-If salary is less than Rs.15,000, then they MUST.
Ajay
Hello Basavaraj,
I am currently a subscriber of EPF, at my current job. Now I am quitting my current job and will be soon joining a new company where my Basic exceeds 15,000 per month. Can I opt out of PF contribution now and if yes what would be the procedure. ? What will happen to the currently accumulated amount? Will employers share continue to be deposited to the existing PF account, even if I opt out of the scheme ?
Thank you.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ajay-Yes, you can opt out. You have to inform your new employer. Read my latest post on withdrawal “4 EPF withdrawal changes effective from Feb 2016“.
Pranshu Sharma
Sir with reference to EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUNDS AND MISCLLANEOUS PROVISIONS ACT,1952,If my salary is 20,000 although i am an excluded employee however i make contribution at the same rate 12 % from my salaryof 20,000 and not at the rate of statutorily required basic pay of 15000,do i have an option of reducing it and contribute 12 % only of 15000
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pranshu-Yes, you can restrict so. But you have to inform the same to your employer at first.
Pranshu
Thank you so much,can you please also tell me as to which provision is it under
Pranshu Sharma
Sir if you could please also inform me about the legal provision or rule under which i am entitled to do it
Sivalingam Kesavelu
sir, I am working in 5 years old company with 14 employees, our owner willing to enrol in provident Fund scheme. it is possible to enrol with 14 employees in PF scheme for the betterment of employees
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sivalingam-Yes, employer can enroll.
Vaibhavi
Hello Sir,
One of our employee wants to opt for PF loan for reconstruction of house. But problem is that property is not on his name. It is on name of his father (Still alive).
In case, is he eligible for PF Loan? He has completed 10 years of services.
Please guide
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vaibhavi-He will not be eligible for that.
Vaibhavi
Thank you Sir
Kumar
Hi. I have completed 3 years and 7 months of service in a company. Now I have resigned from the job and I am going to pursue higher education. So, I would like know what are the best possible options for me. Like, whether to go for closure of PF account and pay the tax on the interest and also pay tax on the exemptions claimed under 80C from past 3 years? or Can I leave the PF account without any contribution for another 1 and half year and then if I withdraw, will that be counted as 5 years but do I need any signature or paper work from the current employer at a later stage? or are there any other better options available since from Feb 10, 2016 a new rule has been made by the government that the employer’s contribution cannot be withdrawn. I will be getting relieved in another 7 days.. I would be grateful for the kind advise..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kumar-How long you want to be in study?
balu
sir,
i have a doubt, that my employer has not deducted pf for the last one year and now they want to pay the pf from april’15 and insisting us to pay the contribution from april’15.
whether we can deny that we will not pay our contribution for the previous period.
As this is employer fault.
Please advice
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Balu-Yes, you can do so. Raise the complaint against your employer with EPFO.
v.singh
Dear sir myself worked in a company for approx 4 month on the salary of 60000 but company has not deduct any pf from my salary.now myself left the job.may I asked the pf from the employer.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Singh-You have rights to ask this question with your employer.
kaushal
Hi
I have worked in a company for 1.5 years. In that company they have deducted pf now i have resigned from that company and working in another company, now the another company doesn’t deduct any pf and when i asked them to deduct the same they said they dont deduct any pf but now i want to continue my a pf account what can i do
or
if i withdraw the amount what will happen
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kaushal-You can withdraw.
kaushal
Will i get the interest on the pf money as i m withdrawing before 5 years??
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kaushal-Read the latest changes to EPF withdrawal at “4 EPF withdrawal changes effective from Feb 2016“.
Akhlesh Goyal
Sir,
I have changed my company, in my previous i was on contract basis and they have deducted pf. In my new company my salary is 60,000/- per month (Cost to Company). New employer is not deducting my pf. But I want to deduct my pf. What is procedure for the same.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Akhlesh-You have to inform the employer that you are intended to contribute to EPF.
Akhlesh Goyal
Thanks Sir. Is there any clause in EPF Act. Actually, i am working with govt. organisation. so i have to show documentary evidence.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Akhilesh-You can search the same in EPFO portal. But it is known fact.
Richa
Hi, I have a question, I have resigned from my job for 1 year MBA, but I don’t want to withdraw my EPF, because after an year I will be placed again, So how I can keep it functional.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Richa-You can do so. Once you rejoin, then you provide the same EPF number to new employer.
MOBIN
Sir, My share for PF is 5000 together from both end. if I leave in 4 year how much will govt deduct from it?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mobin-There is no government contribution for your EPF.
LIGY POULOSE VITHAYATHIL
Our school was started in 2009. Then the number of employees were only 4. In 2013 the number of employees increased to 12 and it is 17 in 2016. Our school is not yet registered with PF. So when we register, from which year on wards we have to pay towards PF. Should we give any damage? Please reply.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ligy-You have to start contribute when your school will come under EPFO rules.
Vinod
Hi Basu,
I was working in india for 6.9 yrs and now i am working abroad for more than 1 yr now.
(1) Is there any way i can make make contibution to keep it active after 3 yrs
(2) if i withdraw between 5 and 10 yrs ,i can get full amount with out tax right? I mean i can withdraw EPS as well right?
(2) or i keep it like this for next 2 more years, So
6.9 yrs pf + 3 yrs no contribution but will gain interest and then withdraw after 9.9 yrs. In that case i can withdraw before 10 yrs so i guess i can withdraw whole amount.
What do you think will be a good option in this situation.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vinod-1) No, you can’t make contribution on your OWN.
2) Yes, but EPS will be based on some %, which is fixed as per Table D.
3) Your EPF age is calculated based on how many years the contribution done, but not for how many years it kept idle.
Vinod
Thank you 🙂
P Chavan
Please let me know an employee paying salary on daily rated wages @ 600/- rupees per day and working during the first month i.e. during the month of his joining, worked only for 16 days in a month. Can he claimed as Excluded Employee in liew of provisions of para 2(f) of EPF Scheme-1952
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chavan-I am not an expert to guide employer.
SAiF
Hi,
Thanks for the great post.!
I have a pf account from 01-APR-2013 and I started working at the department of Income Tax from June 2014. There is some amount in my PF account. I currently am enrolled in the new pension/complementory pension scheme (NPS). Is there a way I can retain my PF account, ie will there be any benefit if I retain that account. I am willing to pay my share to epf. Will the employer, here Income Tax Department, contribute to epf? Or should I settle with the NPS?
Thanks for your answer in advance.
Regards
SAiF
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saif-If your employer not providing you the EPF account, then better to withdraw it.
Prakash
Dear sir,
I worked in an organisation from 1st Jan 2013 to 31st May 2013, where my Pf was deducted. I did not have any PF account prior to this. Then I resigned the job ( for 1 year self-employed). After a year I joined an other organisation . There I worked for 3 months, in which Pf was deducted. Both the PF accounts were not linked. I do not have an UAN number. All that I have is ‘pay slip’ in which my PF no. is mentioned. Now my query is can I withdraw the PF amount of my first company. If yes, what is the Procedure ? Many thanks in advance for your reply.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prakash-You can withdraw your first EPF only if you not employed. I suggest you to transfer to new account.
Prakash
Sir, can both accounts be transferred to my new and third account ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prakash-YES.
REDDY
I am a member of EPF for the last 5 years and have a basic of Rs. 50000. Now can I opt out of EPF, if so what is the procedure
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Reddy-NO.
Nitish
Hi Sir
I recently changed my company I have PF A/c number and UAN from previous employer. I also have PF A/C number from new employer. but when I login to http://uanmembers.epfoservices.in/ I do not see new PF A/C no listed. It shows only the previous PF number. Is it normal , Do I need to come in action?
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nitish-Sharing your UAN is enough with your new employer. Do it now.
Kiran M
I have joined with a salary of 10000/- and my pf was deductd accordingly,now my salary has been incresed from dec’16 to 15800/- even now my PF is getting deducted.
If i want to opt for not having PF deduction what is the procedure.
Pl suggest
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kiran-You can’t opt out from EPF NOW.
G B Halkar
sir, as far as I know EPF membership continues even after one’s salary crosses Rs15000pm. However the contribution from Employer can be limited to Rs15000 max. There is no option to opt out of EPF just because one’s salary has crossed Rs15000.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Halkar-You can opt of EPF your salary is more than Rs.15,000 at the beginning of your employment. Later of during employment, if your salary increased for more than Rs.15,000, then you can’t be out of EPF. Once you are member means always.
Monika
At which section of PF Act it is mentioned that employee not to opt out.
emk
I have withdrawn my complete PF after leaving the previous organization. More than 9 months later, I have joined a new company. Can I use the same PF account / UAN or should I create a new one?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
EMK-You have to just mention the UAN with new employer.
Kushal Shah
We had an employee, left in last month from 18th. My question is whether his PF will be calculated for-
1) For whole month
2) will be calculated till 18th
3) it is as per his attending days in the company (He had 2 leaves in month)
Please suggst
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kushal-I am not an expert on this matter to guide an employer.
srinivas chandrappa
Dear sir,
i resigned from my company oct-2015 and withdrawn my pf contribution. now i again want to rejoin the same company.
I wanted to know after how many months of resign i can apply for rejoining the same firm.
please guide
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Srinivas-2 months.
Hemanth
Hi,
This is Hemanth, i have doubt about Provident fund.
I had worked for a software company for 1 year and resigned to it for some reason. The problem is they did not provided me PF account and detected amount from my salary .
They are not responding to me . Can proceed through legally ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hemanth-First complain again your company with EPFO.
Vaibhavi
Hello Sir,
Needed your guidance.
One old employee of our company was in critical need of money. hence he gave resign in December – 15 and also filled form for withdrawal of PF amount. Now my boss told me that after his PF is received, we will take him back in services. Earlier, also we had done this for 2 employees.
Please guide:
1). After six months we will take that employee on roll, this won’t create any problem in PF ?
2). Our consultant says that now employees who have joined same company after withdrawal of PF amount; there PF will not be withdrawn next time.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Vaibhavi
Please reply Sir
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vaibhavi-1) No, it will not create any problem.
2) Rules says that if employee not in job for more than 2 months, then he can withdraw. EPF rules never states anything about which company he has to join in future.
Vaibhavi
Thank you so much..
Great work you are doing
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vaibhavi-1) No, it will not create any problem.
2) Rules says that if employee not in job for more than 2 months, then he can withdraw. EPF rules never states anything about which company he has to join in future.
PRAKASH
Dear sir as per Provident Fund act more than 20 employee applicable for provident fund but I am working with organization last 7 years in that organization employee is more than 50 but registered is less than 20 employee that’s why we do not have provident fund account what can I do for it is application in our organization.
and also Provident Fund department officer visit every year and getting money from organization.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prakash-You have to bring it to EPFO. Raise the issue with EPFO Grievance Portal ONLINE.
sameer
Hi,
We were startup company to pass benefits to our employees we have opted for PF, unfortunately after 1 year our venture did not worked and we have to close operations of our organization but we have not closed the company, When we approach to close PF account they are asking us to close company first, I don’t want to close company and hoping to revive it once again.
What options do I have,please suggest.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sameer-I am not an expert to guide an employer. But in my view, if there is no employer currently working, then I don’t think there is any headache for you to apply for closure with EPF.
AM
Hello Sir,
I have withdrawn PF from my previous employer in 2014. Now will I get any other benefit like provident fund or pension fund from them. Please confirm.
Thanks,
AM
Basavaraj Tonagatti
AM-NO.
Chandu
Dear Sir,
I worked for the company for two years in which the employer has paid the pf for one year and another year he has not paid the pf at all when I contacted in PF office due to there was no Accounts Officer during that time. My question is can I withdraw my pf amount of one year.
Kindly Suggest.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chandu-Yes, you can withdraw if you no longer working. But complain with EPFO regarding the missing contribution of one year.
chirag viramgama
hi i claim for my PF in febrauary-2016. My PF is only of 6 months. but i can get only EPF. I can not get EPS fund at that time now after 6 month i start new job in september -2016.Then in future when i withdrawal my new PF then can i get my old EPS fund ??
is this possible????
Chandramohan
sir,
In my company their is no epf account and in our company we are working only 5 members . can we open EPF Account
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chandramohan-Yes, if your employer wished.
Sanjeev Gundecha
Hello. I am a regular subscriber to the EPF scheme. However at the new job if my Basic + DA goes above Rs.15K. Can I opt-out because I can avail the option now being above 15K?
Secondly, Opting-out the employee is an “EMPLOYEE’s” choice or the “Employer’s choice”?
Thank you
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjeev-If you are already a member of EPF, then now you can’t opt out. At beginning of job if your salary is more than Rs.15,000, then YOU may opt out, but not your employer.
Amar
My father retired voluntarily in 2010, but his EPF dues were encashed in 2015. In 2014, he was paid money in lieu of unutilised leaves and retrospective pay revision arrears. However, the employee share and employer share of the above amount was not deposited into his EPF account. We were able to know this, after he got the EPF dues in 2015.
My question is can employer stop contributing to EPF account if there is a hiatus in regular pay
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amar-Yes, if there is an interruption in salary payment, then they can stop deposit.
amar
Thanks Basu, can you direct me to the clause number in EPF act which empowers employee to stop deposit
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amar-You get that information on EPFO portal.
Dipeeka
Hello Basavaraj,
I served to my previous organization (X) for 3.5 years and i left that job in July 2015, further i submitted my pf closure request after 2 months in the month of October, today i got mail (almost after 2.5 months) from HR team that my PF closure request is submitted to EPF office. Now i will be joining to another organization (Y) probably in March. As i heard PF closure is taxable (but i declared form 15 G), so my concern is, is it ok to withdraw the amount? (Also withdrawing is under process, will this create any problem if i join to another organization?) or after submitting the form to PF office can i ask them not to proceed further?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dipeeka-Withdrawal is best solution or not? It is purely your call to take. However, considering your service EPF withdrawal for will be taxable. Avoiding TDS by submitting Form 15G is not makes that income as tax-free. You have to pay tax on it as per your slab. You already submitted the form and you was unemployed for more than 2 months. So there will not be any problem.
Arnab Chatterje
Sir,
I had a EPF No. which continued upto September 2013. Now i am joining in a new company. i do not withdrawn the epf till date. can i continue the epf no from January 2016 ? Kindly answer .
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arnab-Yes you can.
rohit gehlod
Dear sir i am work in finance compney in which my pf account is from.dec-2013 but at this time i ha ve do part time job is call center so what can i do bcz this call center compney is want to create my pf account so is there any problume or not.,,, two pf account is posible.,,,
if this is not posible so i.am manager this two account is single one pf account that is posible ,,,,,
dear sir give me perfect solution bcz i am very confuse.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rohit-You can work at two places only if it is allowed by your employers. There is no such restriction from EPFO.
Suraj
Dear sir, My partnership Firm was got registered in 2013. We have more than 20 employees. We have never deducted any PPF amount neither deposited because our consultant never guided us. We are planning to close d company because of poor performance. Now we have got notice under section 7A. Please guide what to do in this regard.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suraj-I am not an expert to guide employer. Please contact directly to EPFO.
Nilesh
I am joining organization on dated 02nd may 2015 & in that month pf deducted in my salary but in epfo account then I check it there is no pf deposited on month of may there is show from june so please suggest my joining may pf is deposited or not
Nilesh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nilesh-Check the same with employer and EPFO.
Garima
Hello
If My salary is rs. 11000, then I much money will be deducted as pf amount and what will be the employer’share. Please reply
Thank you
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Garima-It is 12% of your salary (only Basic+DA) and same contribution will be from your employer.
Gursimran
What if employer is not contributing the same amount. This is the case with when I am paying 1200 my employer is only contributing around 375/- what is be done in this case?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gursimran-Check with employer for the reason. If it found to be illegal, then raise the complaint with EPFO.
Shobhit
Will the pf will be applying on basic + allowances and not on flexi?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shobhit-It is on your Basic+DA parts of salary.
HARI T O
Hi Basu,
My name is HARI T O. I changed my company with my new PF account its showing my name as ” T O Hari ” .May I know whether it makes any issues in future. Please reply
Thanks&Regards
Hari T O
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hari-I already replied to this in FB Page.
Vinayak
Hi Sir,
I worked in a company from 2011 to 2014 and resigned in 2014. But I got relieving letter in 2015. Still now I didn’t get any job and I am planning to get either government job or IT based job after 6 months or in 2017. I asked for pf amount from the company,they replied me like
” 1) Not working in any organization in near future.
2)Going abroad to work.
3)Working in any organisation where the PF is not applicable.
If your are working in any organisation your PF will be transferred to that organisation.”
This is my 1st company I am new to this please help me,
if I didn’t withdraw amount there will not be any problem in future
or
till I get new job PF will get retained in the previous company
or
My working period is below 5 years, if withdraw is there any problem after I get new job.
What should I reply to them.
what is the best way to resolve this, please help me
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vinayak-Not working in any organization in near future means more than 2 months only. So if you are unemployed for more than two months, then you can withdraw it. If you are planning to work again, then wiat for new job. Once you get it then request for transfer and provide the same old EPF number to your new employer.
Vinayak
Thank you for the reply. If I withdraw PF now which is less than 5 years, it will be taxable, I heard.
Waiting for a job even a year won’t be a problem with PF amount? I don’t have EPF number with me.
Another doubt will they provide my PF amount after a year I ask.
What should I reply them, please help me.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vinayak-Yes, if your service is less than 5 years, then it will be taxable. You can hold your EPF forever. But after 3 years from last contribution, they stop to pay the interest on it. Hence, better to either transfer to new company, use the same EPF in new job or withdraw it before 3 years.
SB
Hi,
I have a EPF account with my previous employer but my new employer is a startup with less than 20 people and hence is not applicable for PF.
So there is not income to my EPF account, hence will my current saving in PF account become taxable?
If i need to keep it tax free cos i am employed but my employer is not PF eligible, what should i do?
Also, i do not want to withdraw it unless it’s my last option.
Thanks!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
SB-Tax on your EPF withdrawal depends on the age of EPF. If it is less than 5 years, then it will be taxable.
Dinesh Jain
Can an employer split his/her employees’ wages into basic, special allowance, HRA etc. for tax purposes? If he/he does so, will it violate Section 12 of the Employees Provident Fund Act? Have courts approved such salary-splitting practices by employers for tax purposes?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dinesh-I am not an expert on employer side. If they split to avoid EPF purposely, then it is illegal. But the question is, who will dare to prove?
Gauri
Dinesh – Wondering if you got any answers to those questions. I have the same doubts – not being able to find any clear answers through my research.
Vicky
Hi, I wonder if you can assist me if possible. I went on maternity leave and signed a policy to work back 1 year. I have now worked 6 months and resigned and now they want the full amount back. Can I ask them to deduct it from my PF that they are paying or take it out my PF?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vicky-Your EPF will not be with them, but it is managed by EPFO. So by saying, they can’t withdraw and adjust towards your dues. Also, they can’t deduct your dues by adjusting to EPF contribution. Irrespective of the dues or situation, they have to deposit EPF amount with EPFO as long as you are an employee of that organization.
Jayanthi
Hello Sir,
I started working for a company in 2008 June. I had no idea about the provident fund in beginning and I have given the declaration to company for no to PF.
After a few years of employment, I asked my HR opt for PF, and the company Hr person said that since I did not opt for it when I joined so I cannot join now. It has been 9 yrs in this company without PF contribution.
I feel this Hr guy is not being honest. My questions to you is:
1) Can my I start contributing now?
A year back I spoke to PF office person about the same, he as suggest to go for now.
Please suggest .
Thanks,
Jayanthi
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jayanthi-I never heard about this rule. But if he is so confident of this, then let him show the rulebook.
Jayanthi
Thanks for the valuable reply and sir you are talking about which rule ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jayanthi-Oh..sorry. I not read that you gave declaration in beginning itself. If that is the case your HR is correct.
Shyam
5 years ago I and my partner has started a small firm and not done any business, after few months I have dropped the partnership and my partner continued with the same PF registration with another partner, he succeed for one year and he paid all the pf submissions, unfortunately he also dropped and there was no business and not running anymore and he has not closed the PF account and when he and I was registered it has my addresses in the pf registrations and I am getting the letters from RPF office to update the details for communication of establishments to my correspondence addresses, Now I or he is no where doing any business.
will it be any problem if we do not close the PF company account, or if so what should i do, as my partner belongs to other state and he left the place and i do not know where he is nomore communication with him..
what should i do with this PF no which is not existing company anymore not active at all…
any legal issues…
Please guide me asap…
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shyam-I am not an expert on that matter. Why can’t you contact the EPFO and resolve the issue?
Parimal Shah
How do I continue to EPF/VPF for the balance after leaving the job and starting on own shop.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Parimal-You can’t continue if you no longer doing job. You have to withdraw.
Yogesh
.sir
I Had Worked For 2 Years 9 months In delhi And Contributed To My PF Account ..Recently I Left My Job And Had Submitted My PF Withdrawal Request Last month 15 dec With dwarka PF Office In Delhi.
Yesterday (18th dec, 2015) I Got A Credit Of Around 49000 Rupees In My Bank Account .This amount show in my UAN Accont show on emplyee & employer share. EPFO office not resive any intrest on these.As Per My Calculation My Pension Amount Alone show in uan passbook Would Be Some Where Around rs 20200 Is not resive.
Then go to pf office he told me another fill 10C form submit but my pre company employer not sin in docoment..
Please sugest me how to apply 10c form without employer sig…
Thanks& Regards
Yogesh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Yogesh-You can submit the application directly to EPFO with valid reasons of why your employer not signing.
Ruchi Saxena
Hello sir
I just want to know, that is there any legal issue in PF & ESI declaration if an employees joins in last week of the month like between 25th to 31st day.
My Time Office person always pay them thru voucher and shows new joinees’ DOJ from 1st day of the month.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ruchi-I am not sure of this trick.
P Lahiri
hello sir, my brother has served 1 and half month in a company and after leaving, planned to withdraw PF. PF office accepted only form 19 but not 10C and told its not applicable for him as he has served only 1 and half month. today he has received his claim through neft. is 10C not applicable for this case? Shall the account supposed to be closed without submitting 10C (only 19) as he has already received the claim amount? please clarify how shall we know that the account is closed?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Lahiri-Yes, they are right. He can’t claim EPS.
P Lahiri
thanks Basavaraj. So no need to submit 10C. By d way how do we know the account is closed? is there any link to check? Another thing is that UAN Number status checking says”Already Under Process”. So i think not yet UAN generated. After closing, is there any possibility to generate UAN of a closed account?
Shall he open a new PF in future?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Lahiri-You can check the passbook for the same (Once they update after April). Yes, you can generate the UAN (now even if you are not an employee).
P Lahiri
New PF Account shall be opened in future with new UAN or not as a fresh allotted member? Actually we don’t want to use the old UAN though generated. What you think, is there any probability to generate UAN of the current closed account?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Lahiri-You can’t have two UAN. You must continue with the old one (even though it is under process).
N. Raaju
Hi,
I Worked for a Company ‘A’ earlier for 2 years in the year of 2009-2011, Now I am planning to apply EPF, Is it possible to apply epf now? Does they ask any documents like pay slip etc.,
plz help me…………………..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Raaju-Yes, you can apply now also. Your salary slip is not required.
Syed Ibrahim Khan
Hi,
I Worked for a Company ‘X’ earlier for 3 years, there my salary account was with Bank ‘A’.
Now for the past 2 years, i am working for a Company ‘Y’. Here my salary account is with Bank ‘B’.
I am yet to transfer my PF from Company ‘X’ to Company ‘Y’.. Also I wanted to change back my salary account from ‘B’ to ‘A’. ( my ‘A’ account is still active and i am using it as personal Savings account)
Will changing the salary bank account have any impact on PF transfer ?? Please help me understand.
I am confused because, my earlier PF was against Bank Account ‘A’ , and my current PF will be against Bank Account ‘B’. So, not sure if i am allowed to change my salary account to ‘A’.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Syed-Your salary account does not makes any difference to your EPF. They need your bank details only to transfer your claim amount at end.
Syed Ibrahim Khan
Thanks for prompt reply. Appreciate your support. Thanks Again.
Mahinder Pratap Singh
I am working in a Private limited company on the post of Manager for the last 10 years. At the time of joining I have opted for PF where as my basic was Rs. 20000 ,which is agreed by my company but there is no written agreement with me . My E PF was on the ceiling. But after some time every one ( Who ever oped for E PF facility) is being given E PF on Basic ( 12% & 12% as employee & employer share respectively ) where as was kept out of this for the reason not explained to me by president HR. Sir I feel this as a case of DISCRIMINATION& approached him many times but in vain. Now when the ceiling raised to RS.15000 from September 14 and a new software is being installed , the company start deducting E PF on Basic which is Rs. 20000 ( both employee & employer share) at PAR with others. After 5 Months in the corresponding month, suddenly they stopped deducting my E PF on Basic for the reason that it happened due to software error. I do not understand why this discrimination is done to me by HR PRESIDENT, is it legal and if by mistake due what ever reason it may be , the deduction of E PF should be at PAR with others as far as employer contribution is concerned .Why they have discontinued it. In my understanding if E PF is being deducted on basic for more than a quarter then it should not be discontinued, more over we can not have discrimination in the share of employer.
Please let me know this in details.
Regards
Ma hinder Pratap Singh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mahinder-Once they are member, then they have to continue. What they are doing is wrong. Hence, if they are not responding then raise the issue with EPFO.
Vipul
sir, i had posted earlier too, i think it got deleted. i am working with a govt body. my service rules say that if i leave before 5 years, emplyer will deduct 75% of employer contribution to PF contributed till date by thje employer. Can you guide if thats allowed as per PF rules?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vipul-No it is purely false and they can’t do such also they not allowed to do so by EPFO. Don’t worry.
Abhi_D
Hi Basavaraj. Your site is informative. I have one query. My first company had allotted a PF number to me. I worked there from 2007 to 2010. After that I worked in a few other organizations which did not give PF. I joined my current organization in Nov 2014.
Q1. My present salary slip shows PF No, but the field of UAN No. is still blank, even though I filled the forms given by company. Does this mean I have no UAN account ?
Q2. My contribution to PF is shown, but why is employer’s contribution is not shown ?
Q3. I have not yet received my confirmation letter from employer. They are delaying it on one excuse after another. Does it mean that employer is not paying its contribution to my PF?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhi-1) It seems that your UAN is not activated. Contact employer.
2) You mean in salary slip? If so then don’t worry, they show only your contribution.
3) I am not sure about it.
Dhruv
Hi
I have recently joined an organization in which the Employer contribution towards the PF is mentioned as part of the CTC, while the employee contribution is deducted every month in the salary. My question is since the Employer contribution is not shown in the salary I get, where does this go??
If it goes into the PF account, then am I correct in saying that at the end of the month I will have the sum total of
1.My contribution of the PF(which was deducted from my salary)
2. The employer contribution (which was mentioned in the CTC)
in my PF account.
Please advise with an example if possible.
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dhruv-Your employer is during perfectly. Employer contribution is not missing, but they contribute that to EPF and showing as they not deduct it from your salary. But they are contributing it.
Atal Singh
My father he passed away in 1996, after that my mother was suppose to get some around Rs. 2500 as a pension. but two year bank has told to open up my and my brother account as well and removed 800 from 2500 and distributed in both of us account equally. since then my mother used to get 1700 and we both use to get 400 each. once we got matured our pension has been dismissed as process and Rs. 1700 keep coming in her account.
Here my questions is will our dismissed money will be shifted to my mother account as it was initially bifurcated from her account or she will get only 1700.
Further is there any increment in PF as since 20 year the amount is came.
Ill be really appreciate if anyone can help me rightly in this regards
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Atal-she is entitled for Rs.1,700 only.
Ramana Reddy
Dear Sir,
When I want to know the PF balane online after joining in job.I joined in last 5 months before but i tried today also to know the my pf balance through online but it shows Invalid Input / Member name mismatch against this PF number.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ramana-Wait for next round of passbook update.
Ashok
Hi, I am Kumar. Thanks for your blog and quite interesting.
I started and registered own Private Limited Company in India with two directors.
And we successfully registered EPFO but we have not performed any services to EPFO before and just registered only.
Now, we would like to continue it. When we were registered EPFO, we had more than 20 employees. But unfortunately we have only 5 employees right a moment.
My questions is:
1.If we start to contribute EPFO for 2 directors (Myself & partner) how much we have to contribute as Employer & Employee for every month?
2.If we start to contribute EPFO for 3 employees, how much we have to contribute as Employer?
3.Our company is not profitable yet, just running. Do we get any income tax issue for next calendar year if we contribute EPFO as employer without getting profit?
4.What would be the ideal benefits for 2 directors contribute (Eg: How much would be good for monthly basic pay & other)?
5.What would be minimum about required for employees to get benefits from EPFO?
6. If we contribute both employer and employee ways to EPFO, Do we lose or get profit?
Thanks,
Ashok
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashok-1) If directors are withdrawing their salary, then only they are eligible for EPFO. It is again same rule applies like 12% of salary.
2) It is 12% of Basic+DA.
3) EPF contribution and income tax issue is entirely two different things to consider.
4) It depends on you to decide.
5) I didn’t got your question.
6) Again it depends on your business and how you run.
Asha
Hello Sir,
My husband started working for a company in 2011 Oct. We moved from US and had no idea about the provident fund and how it works. After a few months of employment, my husband enquired about PF, and the company finance person said to him that since he did not opt for it when he joined he cannot join now. He has to wait till he changes his job. It has been 4 yrs in this company without PF contribution.
I feel this finance guy is not being honest. My questions to you is:
1) Can my husband start contributing now?
Please let us know.
Thanks
AK
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Asha-In my view they are right. But there is no clear guidance on such a situation. Hence, I suggest you to write directly to EPFO.
Dipanjan
Dear Mr. Basavaraj,
It was a excellent exposure reading the comments and the community service provided here..
Would request your good self to please address some quires self needs to be doubly assured …
1) After basic crosses 15000 employer share is fixed @ 1800 /- per month – true ???
2) After basic crosses 15000 employee share remains @ 12% /- on basic – true ???
3) Any ceiling limit on query no.2 ??
4) w.e.f sep 14 employers deduction & contributing pf to their employees having pf basic above 15000/- now after two years or so wants to discontinue legally possible or not ??? if yes what is the procedure & reference to para no. of amendment requested ???
5) An employee whose basic is more that 15000/- per month & had been UNDER PF DEDUCTION from his last organisation now joining with a new organisation(x) where (x) WANTS NOT TO contribute on pf as per wage ceiling limit ?? is it possible ??? if yes please refer to para no. of amendment ???
6) An employee whose basic is more that 15000/- per month & had NOT BEEN UNDER PF DEDUCTION from his last organisation now joining with a new organisation(x) where (x) WANTS TO contribute on pf ABOVE wage ceiling limit but employee does not want, this is possible i know still your view ??? and process/procedure/formality of the employee, employer and with EPFO if any ??????? and also refer to para no. of amendment ???
Anticipating your valuable feedback
Warm Regards
Dipanjan
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dipanjan-1) It depends, if your employer is generous then he may pay the 12% of actual basic. If he not, then restrict it to 12% of Rs.15,000.
2) No, it should be 12% of actual basic.
3) There is no upper limit.
4) Once you are member of EPF, then you have to continue (irrespective of salary hike).
5) Yes, once you join new company then you can or employer may opt out of EPF.
6) Yes, you can stay away.
Dipanjan
Thanks A Lot Mr. Basavaraj,
Warm Regards
Dipanjan
Ankit
sir , I am a fresher and started working in a company, for 5 months. they told me that they will give me pf id number for tracking my account but they didn’t. now i heared that they are planing to terminate me as i took rest for 5 days. Oue boss torture me like a pig and i cant handlie that much stress. I worked very hard.. plz give me some advice sir
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ankit-It is purely your call to decide.
Karunakar
Hi sir ,I have joined in a job on October 27 2015 ,they have deduct pf ,but they have not show that pf number in my pay slips Oct & Nov months.
Now I have changed my company with out giving any information to my previous employer.
Here if they ask me about pf number, what to do ,I don’t know my pf number .I don’t need that amount also.
I have hered something form my friends ,they told pf is applies only one time in our life , so in my new company can I apply for new pf account number, is it possible or not.
If it is not possible then what to do,
Kindly give me your reply.
Thanks ®ards,
Karunakar
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Karunakar-Better to initiate for new EPF number.
rahul
is it feasible to do so…..if we dont need the amount from the previous employer
Keshari
I have withdraw my pf money with signature of bank manager after that I have seen that company not deposit his employer pf money form 10 month. How i can recover again that money plz advise me
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Keshari-Raise the complaint with EPFO.
sachin
Dear Basav, Can i see my current pf member Id generated by current employer on UAN portal using my login?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sachin-YES.
Abhijit
Hi,
I have worked in company A for 2 years 9 months where I came under PF scheme after 6 months of joining there. Then I moved to company B after 6 days of leaving company A and transferred the whole pf amount from company A to B and it gets credited after 1 year of joining in company B. I left company B after 2 years 10 months and currently working with company C. Now I want to withdraw the entire PF amount from company B. Is it taxable as per the PF rules?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijit-You can’t withdraw EPF while working.
Abhijit
Yes, But I need the PF money due to medical emergency and I have forwarded a letter to PF commissioner mentioning the same. Could you please let me know if it is taxable?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijit-You can take the advance on medical ground. This is not called as withdrawal. Also, this is not taxable. Read my earlier post on the same “All about EPF (Employee Provident Fund) advance withdrawal“.
sachin
Dear Basavraj,
My friend was working for company A for 1.1 year & then switch to company B for 8 months. Then he switched to company C w/o showing experience of company B. Now is it compuldary to show member Id of company b in form 11 ? can compmay C will be able to identify company b using UAN which was generated by company A
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sachin-Yes, it is easy for Company C to track your friend’s overall investment (if they felt to cross check his professional claims).
sachin
Dear Basavraj,
Company C has separate mechanism for checking professional claims which he is through but he wants to confirm if he do not show company B in form 11 whether company c will be able to identify through UAN or through form 11?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sachin-You can’t guarantee that company in few days may start to cross check this format too. Because of UAN, they can easily track the historical EPF contributions and match that with the past experience of what employee claimed. He can’t run away from showing the Company B.
Gaurav Sethi
Hi Basa,
I have a query. I did job for 1.5 years where I opted for EPF & then I went for an MBA, post MBA I again started a job where I haven’t opted for EPF. Now I want to withdraw my earlier EFP. Please let me know the procedure & also if it would be taxable or not. And what is this form 15g. Do I need to fill this form to get the withdraw.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gaurav-You have to submit the withdrawal form for both EPF and EPS through your earlier employer for withdrawal. It will be taxable income for you. Form 15G is meant for avoiding TDS. You have to submit this form only if your total income in a year is less than Rs.2,50,000. Otherwise, you are not eligible to submit this form.
Gaurav Sethi
Its a PF for a period 2008-2010, since I am withdrawing it after 5 years, will it be taxable still?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gaurav-Yes, taxable.
SACHIN
Company has deposited PF amount in PF office for first 1.5 years, then onwards from last 2 years company not deposited any amount to PF office though deducting from salary.
If we withdraw PF now, the amount we get will be of 1.5 years only.
can we withdraw balance amount in future if company deposit???
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sachin-First register the complaint with EPFO.
Shreya
Hi, I am on the verge of my last working day in my company which is 5 days
days
I have completed 4years and 5months approximately. Could you please let me know if EPF withdrawal or transfer will be an wiser option for me since I am not joining a new company in the coming six months.
In case of EPF transfer how am I supposed to transfer it as I won’t be joining a new company immediately.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shreya-Better to transfer it once you join the company after 5-6 months. If you withdraw now then it is taxed.
jagmender
Sir I am working in previous company where PF applicable on my salary but now i have change my job and my salary exempted from PF, in that case this is compulsory for PF deduction or optional.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jagmender-Optional.
prathibha
Sir i was working in one private company as i did not serve my notice period there they r are ignoring my PF form.
i know my pf number along with the company code, can i apply directly without company seal and sign
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pratibha-Yes, you can apply for withdrawal without your employer approval. Read our blog question on the same at “How to claim or withdraw EPF without Employer’s signature?“.
Hsrshita Shrivastava
I worked for IBM for 5 months. so am I eligible to withdraw my pf amount?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Harshita-NO.
Varghese
Dear Sir,
I have worked in a Chennai based company for 3.5 years (2005 to 2009) and I left the job and gone to abroad. Now I returned to my home city(in Kerala). Is it possible to withdraw the EPF amount, If yes what are the formalities.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Varghese-Yes, you can withdraw it now. You have two options to withdraw. One is to submit the withdrawal through your earlier employer. Second one is to go direct and submit EPF+EPS withdrawal to the concerned EPFO.
Khemchand Khatri
Hi,
I have been associated with my current company for 4 years and 4 months. I am going abroad now.
1. In order to complete 5 years, is it possible to keep contributing to the PF account from myside only (Company will no more contribute, as my employment is not continuing).
2. If I keep contributing as above, (if possible) after completion of 5 years if I withdraw the amount will there be any tax liabilities from myside to pay income taxes.
Kindly reply back soon
Regards
Khemchand Khatri
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Khemchand-1) No, it must be from both side. 2) I resolved this doubt by answering the first one.
Khemchand Khatri
Hi Sirji,
Thanks for your quick reqply. I have now just one more question i.e. How can I save taxes, as I understand that govt. has started deducting TDS straight forward when 5 years are not completed.
Regards
Khemchand
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Khemchand-Avoiding TDS does not means saving tax. You still liable to pay the tax based on your income slab.
Khemchand Katri
Sir,
I am trying to understand if within the rules and regulations and the provisions, if I can save taxes (e.g. by keeping my funds in PF account for further 8 months or something like that).
Please don’t mind for my silly questions, if it is so:)
Regards
Khemchand
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Khemchand-Your EPF age is considered based on the number of years the contributions done, rather than the number of years you kept it there.
Mukesh
Dear Sir,
I was working in organisation from 2008 to 2010 .
Than I left that organisation and was jobless for an year.
During this time I withdraw my PF account money
After that I joined another organisation and working there since last 4 years.
They opened new PF Account.
Now I will be joining new organisation in new year.
Do they require my old PF Account information as I lost my salary slip of previous organisation so don’t have it any more.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mukesh-No, they not ask you about your first EPF account.
R Malik
Sir
The organisation for which I work is a Government company depositing Providend Fund in EPF scheme.
I am going to retire shortly due to attaining of 60 years retirement age.
I may join some new service OR I may be given an opportunity to work in the present organisation for 1/2 years.
I do not wish to withdraw the accumulated amount in my EPF Account for a period of 3-4 years.
Kindly let me know whether I can continue with my present CPF Account for more time after my retirement OR I have to close this Account?
If I continue without making further contributions, how long will I get interest on my invested amount?
If my present employer gives me extension and continues contribution, whether he can deposit the contribution in my present CPF Account OR a new Account will have to be opened? If a new Account has to be opened, can my corpus be transferred to it.
Kindly guide.
R.Malik
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Malik-There is no such age limit for EPF. So you can continue the same account. However, you can’t contribute to EPS.
B Chytanya Kumari
Sir, I am working in private school with more than 20 staff members. I have been into the EPF scheme since last two years. But did not receive any receipt of my balance in EPF from my employer. Apart from that I don’t know my PF account number neither my establishment code number etc. But every month there is a deduction from my salary for contribution into PF. there are no pay slips given in my institute so that I can clarify things from it. So how to get details?
I am unable to reveal things from my employer.So how can my grievance be addressed.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chytanya-You have every rights to ask the same from your employer. Please ask them.
Chytanya kumari
Sir, Thanks for your reply. Can you provide me the phone numbers/toll free number to report my grievance to the EPF office
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chytanya-Please visit EPFO Grievance portal and raise your issue.
kkapoor
I have a EPF account, which has been in use for 15+ years. I have resigned from my job last month and am working independently as a self-employed consultant. Can I use this EPF account to deposit money? Pls note, I do not have a PPF account, hence want to use the EPF account.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kkapoor-No, you can deposit.
kkapoor
Basavaraj, your reply is slightly confusing, as it mentions “No, you can deposit”.
Pls can you clarify whether I can or cannot use the EPF account to deposit money?
Thanks!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
kkapoor-Your question is also confusing. What do you mean by “Can I use this EPF account to deposit money?”. To me it means that you want to deposit some money into your existing EPF account. If this is the case, then you can’t.
amit
Hi,
I am working in an organization since sep’15, they are deducting my PF but not providing me PF account number. After asking them, they are saying it is under process. Portal is upgrading so it will take time. Before joining here i was working with other company for 4 years.
what can i do.?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amit-False claim. They have to provide. If they postpone, then complain with EPFO.
amit
Thanks for your suggestion!!
One more thing, as i was working with TCS earlier they also deducted my PF, can i provide them my old PF account so that they can add money in it.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amit-YES.
Ashish Dhanore
Sir,
I Just want to know the rule of pf that if my salary is Rs 10000 & my PF all ready deduct by company every month.
i resign from JOB & i give 1 month notice to Company as per company rules. company accepted, so this is my last month for this JOB.
Sir My Question is that shall my PF deduct by company for this last month as per PF Rules.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashish-Yes, they deduct EPF for last month. Notice period is between you and employer, but not for EPF. For EPF, it is still regular working month.
samuel savio
Dear Sir,
I am Samuel ,I am working for private company for more then 1 year, my company is non registered company, strength of company is 15 employee ,my salary is 20000 but my owner is not providing EPF ,is it necessary to have EPF account while changing job ,help me in above scenario
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Samuel-No it is not necessery.
Smit
Hello,
I have had worked in an organization and cut EPF as per the rule for about 2 years. I left the job before a year. I just want to know that…..
1. How long will my EPF account be perennial? or it dead after certain years?
2. Will I get interest on my EPF amount?
3. Will I refund my Basic EPF amount (excluding tax)? or the amount will lapse? etc.
Waiting for your reply.
Miscellaneous
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Smit-1) It will be active as long as you keep the amount. But after 3 years from your last contribution, interest will be stopped to credit. Also, keep in mind that idle accounts may be used by fraudsters. Hence, either withdraw or transfer to new EPF.
2) You get interest up to 3 years from the last contribution.
3) No, you get it back.
vishnu
Could you please also confirm if the withdrawal of EPF amount will be tax free in below case:
I worked in an organisation for 3 years and money was deposited in epf for these 3 years. After that i joined new organisation in which EFP is not provided. I don’t want to withdraw money from EPF and i can wait for it till completion of 5 years. But will it be tax free due to fact that money is not deposited for another 2 years?
I am aware that interest is not credited after 36 months from last deposit.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vishnu-Age of EPF is counted by number of years you deposited rather than number of years you kept it idle.
jay
hi,
My previous company working period is 8/1/2007 to 8/10/2007. My relieving date is as per my knowledge as i am abscond now. after requesting them many times they not giving me /telling me the relieving date so if i am going to transfer my pf to new company pf(UAN based) then if i am going to put my relieving date as 8/10/2007 for previous company is this right. i have to fill form 13 to transfer.
thanks,
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jay-Put the date of your last working day.
Kirki Ori
Sir, Some daily wages earner /employees refuses to contribute EPF/ not allowed to cut his 12% contribution . Then should employer contribute, employers share?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kirki-I am not expert to guide employer status. Hence, contact regional EPFO.
Prashant Saxena
Sir,
I Just want to know the rule of pf that if i am working in my current private sector company as a permanent employee till now after completing my age of 60. then what is the rule of Pf deduction/deposition? I supposed to say Current Company Continuing my Pf deduct/deposit in Pf office as before the age of 60 or is there any special rule/Condition with this my Current company or Pf Office.
And Please tell me also the necessary thing behind this so that employer not misguided and cheated me?
Thanks….
Waiting for your favorable detailed reply…
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prashant-I am not clear about your doubts. But even if after 60 years of age, one can be member of EPF.
Prashant Saxena
Ok Sir Means PF Office has no Objection to deposit the pf by company after the age of 60 years if i will work in the same company as permanent.
Simply sir i just want to know that after the age 0f 60 years what is the rule of PF, is it continuing or stopped?
because when i checked my on line pf status it was not showing before 8 months. so i am not understanding that company is not depositing pf or any issue in pf office side according to their standard rule.
so please tell how came to i know the reality as company is not giving right information regarding this.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prashant-I already cleared my stand. If the transactions not reflecting, then contact employer or EPFO.
Arjub
Dear Sir.
Please help me to check following calculation.
Basic – 11550
HRA – 4620
Conv – 1200
Bonus + Alwn – 1000
Pf – 2772
——–
Total – 21142
Is this calculation correct
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arjub-Your EPF contribution is 24% of Basic. This I feel involve both Employee and Employer contribution. If it is in your salary slip then it is wrong. However, if it is in CTC, then no issues.
Arjub
Thak u for the replay.
So on salary slip only employee pf will be shown. Isn’t it.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arjub-YES.
SANJAYA KUMAR PADHY
DEAR SIR,
I AM WORKING AS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR(CONTRACTUAL) SINCE JULY 2012 IN “SOVTECH” IS A SOCIETY REGISTERED UNDER ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLAND IN 2006. TILL DATE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REGISTERED OUR NAMES IN EFP ACCOUNT. IN SOVTECH THERE ARE MORE THAN 30 EMPLOYEES ARE WORING AND EVERYBODY ARE IN CONTRACTUAL ONLY. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR EPF BENEFIT? KINDLY REPLY IN MY MAIL ASAP.
THANKING YOU…
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjaya-Yes.
SANJAYA KUMAR PADHY
MEANS WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR GETTING EPF BENEFIT FROM OUR EMPLOYER….
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjaya-YES.
Pradeep
Dear Sir,
I worked in a public limited company in vadodara from 1995 to 1997 . That time the company deducted PF amount from my salary and later the company was closed. So I came back to my native place and in course of time I forgot my PF account Number. After that one or two times I went to PF office but due to this account number problem no response from the staff. But recently I come to know that india government is giving back the non-received amount to old employees. Kindly advise me what I have to do for getting the amount. God Bless You.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pradeep-Check your EPF account existence in EPFO portal at first. Then you can apply for withdrawal.
Abhijeet Shrivastava
Hello Sir,
My name is Abhijeet Shrivastava..I was joined organization on February 13, 2013 and December 1st is my last day in ,y company. I am going to start my own business, I have already filled PF closure form.. May I know how long will it take to get money in my personal bank account ?? Thanks in advance
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijeet-Around 30 days.
SHRAVAN KUMAR
HI
My name shravan kuamr
I worked in an organization from fast two years (2013 to till now) they allotted pf account to me and its updated UAN now the problem is that organization is becomes division of other company (in sep 2015) again allotted pf number now i got new opportunity in other company and completed my notice period also so advise me for withdrawing pf
thanks in advance
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shravan-You can’t withdraw, but can only transfer.
shravan
Dear basavaraj
Thanks for giving replay
it means i will transfer old to new then i will withdraw from new one but the new one pf account allotted 3 months back only and i am going to join new company next month first week so please advise me for withdrawal my pf
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shravan-Even if it just completed 3 months, you can transfer.
shravan
Dear basavaraj
can i withdraw old account PF amount
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shravan-If you no longer in job for more than 2 months, then you can withdraw.
KMA
Hi,
I am serving my notice period in my company my question is If i am not available in India in next few moths can anyone on my behalf like my father who is a nominee can withdraw the money ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
KMA-NO.
Shravan Kumar
Thanks for replay
I joined in new company now can i go withdrawl after two months instead of transfer
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shravan-If you are in job then you can’t withdraw.
P.Shravan kumar
Dear basavaraj
Thanks for your replay
I transfered my old pf account into new pf account in end november but nothing replay from them and in general how many days will take for transfer
thanks in advance
Regrds
P.Shravan kumar
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shravan-It is around 30 days.
Anand
Dear Sir,
The Labour Contractor is on Contract with us he is not our Employee & even Labours are contract labours…so how these applies to them..and it happens several times that the laobour goes away in 3 to 4 days even…So how shall we pay his share..I have heard that the act applies only to permanant workmen..Please clarify..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anand-You can check your claim with regional EPFO. My views are already explained in earlier comment.
Anand
they will surely misguide..Lets see..
tarun
Dear Sir,
Please confirm..i was joined company on 6th July’15 and today 23rd Nov’15 i given resignation and serving notice period of 45 days.. Now question is how i can withdraw my PF from my company…
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Tarun-If you want to continue the job, then you can’t withdraw. If not then you can withdraw only after quitting the job.
Abhijeet
Hi please help me out i had submitted my pf withdrawal to my previous company who were able to submit it in march this year now when i check the status by sms i see my EE and ER is as on 25-05-15 (accounts updated on 31-03-15) what does that mean and when will the amount be debited as till now it has not been debited …please let me know if u know anything in this reagrds
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijeet-If your transfer is completed then you have to wait for next passbook update of EPFO.
Anand
Sir,
I am running a small construction company as a proprietor.
1) Does the Act apply for temporary labours who are never permanant with us because they themselves leave us at any point of time without intimating us.
2)Does the Act apply for Labour Contractor who works with us only for a particular work for 1 or 2 months and go elsewhere wherever they get work. Plus the labours hiered by him are also temporary kind of changing every now and then.
2) I am a Registered Contractor with Military Engineer Services Department. The EPF Act doesnt apply on me, as my firm has only 2 to 3 permanant employees as a storkeeper and supervisor. But the MES department as per the new ruling has asked for EPF number from now and on not providing so will reject us from technical Bid. So in that case I will have to apply on Voluntary Basis. And if I am opting for Voluntary Number Can i still opt for Not deducting PF of my employees as it is below 20 only.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anand-1) and 2) Yes. 3) Please contact the regional EPFO.
Anand
Dear Sir,
The Labour Contractor is on Contract with us he is not our Employee & even Labours are contract labours…so how these applies to them..and it happens several times that the laobour goes away in 3 to 4 days even…So how shall we pay his share..I have heard that the act applies only to permanant workmen..Please clarify..
Anand
Sir Awaiting your Reply
Anand
Sir Awaiting your reply..Pls advice
reena bains
respected sir, please advice can i pay epf without any job. am working as teacher at home.(tutions)
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Reena-No you can’t.
Nayanjeet Singh
I am working an organization and my salary is 16000 in hand, and i don’t want to deduct PF from my salary is it porssible ? if company deduct PF so how much time will take to provide Universal PF account no. and one more thing that how can i know that company has registerd or not in PF account if is not registerd so can they deduct pf ammount?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nayanjeet-If you are new employee then you can stay away from EPF. However, if you already a member of EPF and recently you got salary hike, then you can’t.
Nayanjeet Singh
i am new employee in this organization, also i don’t have any EPF Account till now.
As i know company is not registered in any EPF, but they are deducting EPF from my salary from last 5 months and still i did not get any EPF account.
Please advise sir..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nayanjeet-If they not registred but deducting from salary, then complain the same with EPFO.
Nayanjeet Singh
Thank you so much sir for your kind information
Nayanjeet Singh
Hello Sir,
Mmy joing data is 2 july 2015 and my salary 16000 in hand, and i don’t want to deduct PF from my salary. if salary more then 15000 so PF is mendetory or not
Nayanjeet Singh
Hi Sir,
i am working with an organization , and my salary is 16000, so can i stop my pf deduction,
and if company deduct PF so how many time will take get PF account, kindly reply
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nayanjeet-If you are new employee then you can stay away from EPF. However, if you already a member of EPF and recently you got salary hike, then you can’t.
Gaurav
Dear Sir ,
I am gaurav I send my pf claim form to my employer through courier ., they said they send my form to pf office on 2 nov 2015 . How much time it will take to amount get credited in my account.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gaurav-Check the status in EPFO portal.
Gaurav
Sir its showing ( No record Found) on claim status , normally what is the time period for it after claim
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gaurav-Then contact the regional EPFO.
Dilip
I just want to know that can an employee deduct PF from two different organisation working at the same time period ? Is it legal?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dilip-It can happen when an employee working in different timings with two employers. There is no such clear guidelines on it from EPFO.
sri
What is the maximum pension & for which how much a member should contribute
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sri-There is no such maximum limit.
Ranajee
Dear Sir,
Can an employer suddenly stop deducting and depositing PF contribution for one particular month and there after follow the normal way of deduction and deposit PF. In that case how the employees shall be affected at present and in future.
Thanks & regards
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ranajee-No, they can’t do so. It is illegal. If you notice such irregular deposit, then raise the complaint with regional EPFO.
Hari
I wish to know whether persons above the age of 60 years are eligible for PF.
Please let me know.Thanks.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hari-YES.
Logan
Hi U have applied for PF advance withdrawal for plot purchase after registering the document on my name. My request got rejected with the update that i can not apply this after purchasing the plot.
IS there any possibility to get advance after purchasing the plot..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Logan-NO.
CIRIL JAMES
Dear Sir, I have a query regarding EPF discontinuation. My basic salary limit is now more than the EPF limit. How can I discontinue EPF contribution? I don’t want to continue EPF. EPF contributions is a very big burden to me. What should I do for that?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ciril-If you are already a member of EPF, then you can’t stay away from EPF (even if your salary goes more than specified limit).
saurabh
Sir…what if someone is above 50 yrs. age and receiving reduced pension…is it mandatory for him to pay pf or he can opt out?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saurabh-EPF depends on your salary income but not on how much pension you receive from otehrs.
saurabh
Sir…the person is getting pension of EPS and not from some other organisation
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saurabh-In that case, there is no such clear rules to say that employee must stay away. I think he must be part of EPF.
Manjinder
one of my employee is already working in one place in morning shift and is having EPF and ESI nos. He has joined our company for evening shift in October 2015. Should we also issue him EPF & ESI nos. for contribution. Some people are telling that having tow epf and esi nos. is illegal. Whether it is right or not? Please let me know that whether he can continue and whether he has to leave one job?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Manjinder-I never came across any such guidance from EPFO that one must work only in one company at any point of time. Hence, why can’t you check the same with regional EPFO?
Vathshen
Hello sir… I’ve recently joined a new company.. I need a certificate of coverage from this new company which will include the PF number.. This certificate is required for a Visa processing and it’s little emergency…so this new company have to create a new PF account number for me..can they create immediately well before the salary date? Or do I have to wait until I get my first salary which will be at the end of this month. Please clarify.. Thanks in advance.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vathshen-Why can’t you provide the old EPF?
Vathshen
Thanks for your response Sir…. The old PF is with specific to the previous company right? Can they create new PF account for me immediately? Or do I have to wait until the end of this month for my first salary to get credited in the new PF account?
Vathshen
Sir… The old PF account number has the establishment code which is specific to old company.. That’s why need the new PF account number with specific to this new company.. Please advise if it can be created by the company immediately.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vathshen-You can retain the old EPF account number with new employer too. Contact your new employer, they help you.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vathshen-You can retain the old EPF account number with new employer too. Contact your new employer, they help you.
BIBIN
sir , my employer starts EPF this month only ( October 2015 ) , is it necessary to pay the arrears of payment (from November 2014 ) , if yes , who has to pay the arrears ? (whether the employee or employer ? ) what is the reduction percentage ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Bibin-Why arears?
saurabh
We have got a new labour contract, which will need 500+ workers. The workers joining us for production are mostly on VRS. They do not want deduction of PF now. Can they opt out. If yes, what declaration we haveto take from them?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saurabh-If their Basic+DA is more than Rs.15,000 then only then can opt out. Otherwise no option.
saurabh
Thank you…and what if someone is above 50 yrs. and receiving reduced pension?
Pratiksha Doshi
Hi,
I’m a human resource professional, wanting to know if an employee is no longer working with the organisation and is willing to withdraw the PF from his account when can he do that?
Also if he wants to maintain the account atleast for 3 years as he going to resume work only post 3 years can the account still remain active? and can the UAN number still be shared with the immediate next employer?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pratiksha-If the employee no longer looking for job then immediately after the exit from current employment, can apply for withdrawal. However, during changing job, withdrawal not allowed. Yes, in case of the gap of less than 3 years, account will be active along with UAN and interest credit. However, after 3 years, they stop to credit interest income.
jack
I have doubt on EPF. Now I’m working in A company. I put a paper in A Company. Relieving date given 1 month in A company. But now I joined B Company before finish my relieve A company. I have doubt. Old EPF and NEw EPF will clash each other. Ist possible to clash between UAN no….
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jack-How they clash when you transfer by providing UAN?
kumar gaurav
if i changed my company then my PF account will be different in my new company or that will be same like what it was in my previous company.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kumar-You have to inform your new employer that to continue the same old EPF and request for online transfer. Otherwise, if you have UAN then provide the same to your new employer. The same old EPF will continue.
parul singh
Hi Basu
Could you throw some light on section 12 of PF Act regarding reduction of wages. Could basic salary of pre-amendment exempt employees (who were drawing more than 6500 wages) be reduced to minimum wage for pf contribution September 2014 onwards ? Overall in hand remains the same.
Thanks
Parul
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Parul-What you want to know?
Jimmy
Hi Basu,
Could a company force an employee to withdraw EPF?
My cousin left her job and she has not joined any other firm. The current firm is asking her to withdraw or transfer her EPF within 2 months of last working day. She is getting married and would be taking a break before starting to work again. Her total work ex is less than 5 years and I believe in case she withdraws her EPF now she will have to pay taxes for withdrawing the amount before 5 years.
The firm has refused to initiate her full and final settlement in case she does not sign the EPF form?
I need your views regarding this. Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jimmy-They can’t force. But it is better to take action. It is not obligatory for employee to withdraw when he/she leave the job and there is no such rule that employer can force them to do so.
Jimmy
Hi Basu Thanks for the reply. By action do you mean she should send some Legal notice or does she need to file a complaint with the EPFO.
Let me know what would be a better?
Thanks!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jimmy-First let her complain with EPFO.
wilfred
sir my company code : cslm 90632 last one year not paid to epf office no action in epf office totally not paid in epf & esi please help
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Wilfred-Raise the issue on EPFO portal or in local EPFO.
Rajan Narayanan Chengaloor
one of my employee is working in two places in two shifts and he is having two EPF and ESI nos. and contributing in two places also. Some people are telling that having tow epf and esi nos. is illegal. Whether it is right or not? Please let me know that whether he can continue and whether he has to leave one job?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rajan-It is his headache, being employer why you are scratching your head?
Pallavi
Is it true that any employee who was not a part of pf scheme earlier can be exempted from PF deduction even if his Basic+DA is below Rs 15000/-
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pallavi-If the employer will be part of EPF and employee salary is below Rs.15,000, then he has to be member (irrespective of his earlier stint).
Snata
Sir my salary is 9500/- can i come under PF category
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Snata-First check whether your employer is eligible for EPF or not.
Anand Kirti
Hi,
My company is not registered with PF. Our strength crossed 20 Employee in March 2015 only. What will be if I will register for PF now. Will I need to pay for PF from March Onwards to all Employee or active employee only and how much fine i will have to Pay
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anand-First force your employer to register.
vikas
sir, is there any percentage of allowances are there & if a company is giving basic salary is Rs 6500 & conyence allowance is Rs 6000 & hous rent allowance is Rs 6000 and it is right or wrong pl reply
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vikas-EPF is based on % of Salary and it is Basic+DA ONLY.
Satish
Hi
I have applied for a PF Transfer from my previous employer to current account. My previous employer had a Private Trust hence they have sent a cheque to PF office for transfer. It has been two months since they sent this cheque. How ever the mount is not yet credited in my PF account. Please let me know what can be done from my end. I raised a EPFO grievance and a reply that they have received the cheque. It has been a month even now since I got this response from EPFO grievience. What else can I do to get the amount credited in my PF account.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Satish-From where you come to know that you have not received the money in your EPF? If through passbook, then wait for a while to update the passbook. What is the transfer status showing?
Satish
Since this is from a Trust, I cannot track the status anywhere?
So you mean to say it will take some time before I see the amount updates in passbook? If so how long it might take.
EPFO grievance department says they received the cheque and same will be credited in my account
This is with reference to your Grievance registered vide Registration Number ROBGL/E/2015/xxxxx.
It is informed that after processing your grievance,the following action(s) has been taken:
An amount of Rs.XXXX/- vide cheque no:XXXX/- dt:31/08/15 is under reconcilation.Once the amount is reconciled it will be taken in to account.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Satish-Wait for next update.
Satish
Actually That was the final state for resolution.
Do you mean I will get one more update from EPFO grievance cell ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Satish-They let you know the real cause.
Anurima
Sir, my father did not transfer his epf account when he switched jobs 2 and a half years ago. He has recently applied for epf transfer. Is he still entitled for the interest?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anurima-Yes, he will receive the interest as your father applies for transfer within 3 years.
AAP
Sir, my father did not transfer his epf account when he switched jobs 2 and a half years ago. He has recently applied for epf transfer. Is he still entitled for the interest on the old account?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
APP-You father will get interest up to 3 years from the last contribution done to his account. Later on such idle accounts will not earn any interest.
Rohit
Hi,
I have left my organization 3.5 months back, and submitted withdrawal form with PF department of the organization when I left.
They haven’t still haven’t submitted the documents for withdrawal to EPF office.
I have 2 queries:
1) Will I get interest on my EPF account, if yes till when.
2) Can the submission be made directly by me now, as I’m unable to get any satisfactory reply from my earlier employer.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rohit-1) Yes you get interest up to 3 years from the last contribution done by your employer to this account.
2) YES.
Rohit
Thanks Basavaraj.
Piyush
Sir, in our firm, I have some employees whose salary is 16000 and we are making their EPF contribution on Rs 15000. But now the employees wish to opt out of EPF contribution as they are unable to meet their expenses. So, i wish to know that is it possible to stop their contribution as their salary is more than Rs 15000 and what are the required procedures? Waiting for your guidance. Thank you.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Piyush-Once they are member then they have to continue.
Dhananjay
after my employer has suffled our pay my pf deduction has become less than what i was getting previously what should be done and under which rule Is it possible
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dhanjay-You can’t run away if your employer is eligible for EPF.
Dhananjay
DEAR SIR,
I AM WORKING IN PRIVATE RUN TRUST SCHOOL.IN GUJARAT
MY QUESTION IS IN OLD PAY-SCALE MY PF WAS DEDUCTED RS 1503 PER MONTH FROM AUGUST 2014 TILL JULY 2015 THEN MY MANAGEMENT REVISED OUR PAY SCALE IN AUGUST 2015 AND IN THAT MY PF WAS DEDUCTED RS 1334 PER MONTH CAN PF BE REDUCED THEN WHAT I WAS GETTING BECAUSE WHEN QUESTIONED TO THE MANAGEMENT ABOUT IT THEY SAID THEY HAVE SEEKED ADVICE OF LAWYER AND IT CAN BE DONE PLEASE ADVICE ME AND IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THEN UNDER WHICH RULE OF EPF PLEASE NOTE
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dhananjay-To avoid overpaying after the changes in EPF rules, they simply restructured your salary and might reduced the Basic+DA. This saves their own pocket in equal contribution from their end to your EPF account. It is more of a tactic, they are simply saying an untruth.
Prashantjit
One of my friend’s PF amount is wrongly debited in different account. what should he do to recover that amount?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prashantjit-Raise the issue with EPFO.
Sohan
Hello Sir,
I have recently shifted to a new startup which doesn’t have pf contribution. My previous organisation being a big company had pf contribution. Can i maintain the pf account now and deposit money on my behalf (no contribution from employer) and claim this for tax returns.
Please guide
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sohan-No you can’t do that.
Deepak Selamkar
We are doing job work to a big company in separate premises and not registered with PF. Are we liable for PF deductions by our customer even if we are having only 12 employees at our works.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Deepak-You are not an employee of your customer. Hence, no EPF obligation (based on current employee strength you have).
Aditi
Hi Basu
I started working in India in Sep2011. I changed job in Jan’13 when my PF also got transferred. I have now got a job abroad and will be moving in another 3 or 4 months. Should I leave my PF as is or withdraw it? Can I withdraw after Sep’16 to avoid tax, even if I’m not residing in India? Thanks in advance for your advice!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Aditi-Even if you withdraw after 10 years, you can’t avoid tax. Because they count the years based on how long the contribution done rather than how long you waited. Hence, better to withdraw now itself. Unclaimed EPF accounts are target of misuse.
Sankar
Hi Sir,
we have a new joinee and his basic is Rs. 22,000/- . We have received a request from him to deduct his monthly PF contribution on Rs.15,000 (The increased limit) and he has justified his request with the fact that his previous employer was also deducting on Rs.15000/- though his basic was Rs.17000/-. We would like to know, is there any such option available under Provident Fund rules ?
Thanks
regards,
Sankar
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sankar-YES.
D. S. Rana
Dear Sir,we have a company on which we are depositing PF of our employee from last 3-4 year, now there is no any work & workers from last 2 months and now there is no any work in our company. now what are our obligation regarding PF department ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rana-If you are paying payment to employees then you have to deposit EPF.
nipuldas
I worked in a company from March 2014 to September 2014 (7 months) and join new company from October 2014 to July 2015. Now I am self employed. My question is can I withdraw the pf amount only from 2nd company? Pls. advise me.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nipuldas-You can withdraw both accounts.
birma
Hi,
i had been working with present company for 3.5 years and now joining a start up with less then 20 employees and they dont have EPF scheme. Is there a way i can still don’t withdrawal EPF amount and taxation can be avoided or any other work around?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Birma-You can withdraw now. But you can’t avoid tax.
nipuldas
Sir, my 1st company is closed and I dont know my epf account no. Therefore I want to withdraw my 2nd company’s epf amount. Can I do it?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nipuldas-You can’t withdraw (if you are in job), you can only transfer.
Suresh
Sir,
I have worked 8.5 years for company and they have deducted PF. But they haven’t paid PF from last 2 years to PF organization. Now I changed my job and I want to transfer my PF account. I have UAN number.
1) If I transferred PF to new company, when my old company pay the pf will that amount add to my PF account even I transferred.
2) If I wait till my old company pay the PF, I am losing interest on PF amount from new company also?
3) Can I go with transfer my pf account or should I wait till my old company pay the full amount
4) The interest on amount which we are losing any way to know that and recover?
regards
Suresh
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suresh-First raise the complaint with EPFO about not depositing the amount by your employer. EPFO will raise the case against them. Once it is resolved then only better to apply for transfer.
Shantanu
Dear Basavaraj,
I need some clarification on PF.
1. My company deducting a certain amount of money from my salary, which can be seen in my pay slip as PF. And they also deduct the same amount of money from salary without showing it in pay slip. Is it right? They told you will get all your amount in the EPF account.
2. If it is not right what should be my legal approach to them.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shantanu-1) Yes they are right. They are showing your contribution in salary slip and their contribution Salary package.
Shantanu
Many thanks for your help…..
Hrushikesh
Hi Basavaraj,
I was with my previous employer for 4 yrs and 8 months and my total industry experience is 8 yrs in 4 companies(including current employer). I transferred the 2 and 3 company’s PF to my current company and I checked the passbook. I do not have any concern about the employee contribution and employer contribution amount. However, the pension contribution shows as 0. Why the pension amount has not been transferred to my current account ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hrushikesh-No need to worry, your EPS will follow EPF.
Suresh
Hi Basavaraj,
I worked for a IT Co. for 4 years & 3 months from Jul-2010 To Sept-2014. There i was deducting my EPF. Then I have joined other Co. in Dec-2014 there i was not deducting my EPF. Now I want start my EPF deduction can I start now ?
Also pl let me know If i withdraw my EPF whether TDS is applicable or not and withdrawal amount is taxable or not ?
Thanks in advance.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suresh-Why there is NO deduction from your current company?
Pavan Ganesh
Hi,
I changed the organisation in jan 2015 and i transferd the PF amount to my new Organisation, and due to some reason i am changing the organisation and can i do the transfer to other organisation which i am going to join in the month of Oct 2015.
Is it possible to transfer the PF account 2 times in a year to different organization. Please do need full and let me know if you need any additional details kindly give me the suggestion.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pavan-Yes, you can transfer.
Arun Kumar Mantha
Hi,
I worked for 3 years 10 months with my previous organisation which is part of Unexempted for both PF &
Pension scheme. Later I changed my job where its PF is with Trust(exempted) and Pension is with Unexempted. So, can I withdraw my previous organisation PF amount? Is that legal or illegal?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arun-As per my knowledge there is nothing like EPF is exempted but not EPS. Check with your employer for the same.
Som Deb
Why was my question deleted? Anything wrong in that post ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Som-May I know which question? If you feel so then you can re-comment it.
Som Deb
Hi,
I had worked with an organization for about 7 years and came to know that it had not deposited the amount in PF for about 16 months. Now when I moved to another organization, I wanted to withdraw the PF amount present as I was in need of urgent money. I did that successfully in JAN 2015
My employer now says he would be depositing money in my account. Can I re-withdraw that amount OR i can ask him to directly send it to me. I just want to know the legal aspect so that I get the amount hassle free.
Thanks and awaiting for your answer
shaik
Hello Sir,
Previously I worked in an company which are having 100+ employees . I also had pf account and amount deducted from my salary. Now I switched my job, In new organisation we have less than 20 employees and pf amount is not deducting and they didn’t take my pf details.
My questions are
1) If I am not paying pf amount for upcoming 1 year, whether that account will become suspend or not ?
2) Can I continue with same pf account number , If I switch company in next year ?
Sorry for my poor english
Thanks,
Shaik
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shaik-1) It will not be suspended. Interest will be payable up to 3 years from the last contribution. Later on they not give any interest. Hence, don’t keep the account idle for long.
2) Yes.
shaik
Can I pay my pf amount manually ?
shaik
Is it mandatory to pay pf amount ?
Shrikant
Hi Basavraj,
I applied for PF withdrawal, but I received following from my company PF Settlement Team, does that mean I will not be able to withdraw my PF if I am working with other establishment.
“I hereby certify that the above facts furnished are true in all respects. I understand that according to the Provisions of the THE EMPLOYEES’ PROVIDENT FUNDS AND MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS ACT, 1952 act, it is illegal to apply for withdrawal of PF and Pension while in service with an establishment covered under PF Act. In the event of violation to the above condition, Govt. PF authority is liable to take any action”
Please suggest!
Thanks,
Shrikant
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shrikant-YES.
Harsh
Hello Sir,
I would be working 2 jobs and both jobs shall involve PF deductions being done on a monthly basis. I have been assigned a UAN by my current employer which i would be sharing with the new employer as well.
My questions:
1. Can an employer get to know or can see online, the other employer’s active PF accounts under my UAN? If yes, is there a way to avoid employers sneaking into other active accounts which aren’t related to them?
2. Could having multiple active PF accounts under the UAN be a cause of concern from other employers or the Income Tax Dept. ?
Thank you.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Harsh-I think yes, your employer can track the contribution using UAN. You can’t avoid it. But it will not be any concern as there is no such rule which states that an employee must work with only one employer.
honey gupta
MY COMPANY IS NOT REPLYING ABOUT MY PF CLAIM STATUS. KINDLY TELL ME HOW TO KNOW ABOUT IT
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Honey-Raise the issue with regional EPFO.
sakthi
Hi
if any one has two PF accounts running with two different companies (one is full time another one is part time ), how was the rule and it is possible to transfer the money his bank accounts?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sakthi-There is no such rule from EPFO that one must only work with a single company. But instead of having two EPF accounts, he can share the same with two employers and manage in one only (especially after UAN).
michel
dear sir,
my company is registered under pf but i don’t want to join pf as my income is hardly enough for my household expenditure.Is there any way that i can be exempted from pf contribution deduction?
thanks
michel
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Michel-There is no way to escape.
Vivin Geevarghese
Hi Sir,
I have a questions regarding EPF. While filling Form 11,can I afford to leave the previous EPF memebr ID section blank if I do not remember the details of the same?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vivin-It may not be mandatory, but if you don’t know the number then how can you transfer to new account or how can you withdraw in future?
sylvia
An employee having 2 PF account number from different companies. Actually he is working as Field Associate in 1st Company, it’s timing 8.00 am to 5.00 pm and Cashier in 2nd Company, it’s timing 11.00 pm to 6.00 am. He gets salary from 1st company is Rs.8000/- and 2nd Company is Rs.12000/-
Both the employer has deduct PF from his salary.
Please let me know if both the accounts would be valid in this case and will he get pension from both the PF Accounts.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sylvia-Yes, it is valid.
sylvia
Valid in the sense, will the employee get 2 pensions.
And will the employers know that the employee has 2 PF active accounts.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sylvia-When it comes to EPS, he will get only one (combined). No, employers will not get the other EPF account information. But if UAN is allocated to employee, then YES.
sylvia
thanks for your response, great help.
Sumitra
Hi Sir,
Pl provide with suggestion in the following situation:
An employee X is woking in a company and covered under PF laws. If his salary is increased beyond the pescribed limit, the company is supposed to continue depositing the PF. But the company went through a formality of resignation. And again made him re-join after a short period of time. In between he was not employed elsewhere. Should PF be withdrawn in such case or shall it remain applicable as normal.
Kindly provide with the reference to any such rule/ notifications/ case laws in such regards, if possible.
Thank you!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sumitra-Illegal activity from both employer and employee side. Both want to stay away from EPF. But sad part is, employee will be in loss at end, which I think he will understand at later stage. He can withdraw EPF only in case he is not in job for continues 2 months.
Sumitra
Thank you sir!
sylvia
Can an employee have 2 PF account numbers with 2 different companies, and let both companies not know of the each other companies PF number.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sylvia-Whether employee working in two companies at the same time?
sylvia
yes, working in the company from 6 to 3 in one company and 5 to 1 in another company, so he will get 2 salaries after deduction of PF from both the companies.
So will he get 2 pensions
Will the employers not know that he has two PF account numbers
I mean can one PAN have 2 active PF numbers.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sylvia-When it comes to EPS, he will get only one (combined). No, employers will not get the other EPF account information. But if UAN is allocated to employee, then YES. There is no restrictions from IT Department regarding having number of EPF accounts from single PAN.
sylvia
thanks for your response, great help.
Rajat Gupta
Sir, during my previous job in 2011, I had informed my employer that I would opt of EPF. I left that job in 2011 itself, since then I havent worked anywhere else, and I am studying. So in future, whenever I join any job, do I have an option to join EPF, or I am out of it permanently?
My in hand salary in 2011 was Rs.13,300/- per month.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rajat-when you rejoin and the company falls under the EPF then definitely you will be member of that and you can quote the same EPF to continue. But keeping idle of your EPF account for more than 3 years will not earn any interest. Hence, if you don’t have any plan to join job soon, then I suggest to withdraw it.
Rajat Gupta
Sir,
I erred, while enquiring, actually I opted out of EPF, I had informed my employer that I wouldn’t like to contribute for EPF, so currently I donot have an EPF account.
So in future, whenever I join any job, do I have an option to join EPF, or I am out of it permanently?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rajat-I understood your question. When you join new job then you can easily job. No issue on that (even if you opted out earlier).
Thole Punit
Dear Sir,
I recently started a private security agency in Pune. Can I open an Employer PF account before my employee strength reaches 20+? I need this registration asap. Is there a way out or do I have to wait till the strength reaches 20?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Thole-I am not sure about the law of registering if employee strength is below 20. But in my view, you can’t register.
Nidhi Shukla
We are working in a B school registered under Societies Act. I am an assistant professor. our EPF is being deducted as 12% of 15000. I just want to understand which category do we fall in if pf is being deducted right from the beginning when our Basic+ DA was more than 15000/ 6500. Exempted, excluded or voluntary. Further, is it possible that in the same establishment some are contributing 12% of Basic+DA and some 12% of 15000 only
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nidhi-When you and your employer both contributing 12% of your salary means it is a typical EPF but not the names you mentioned. I am not sure how your employer following different set of rules. Please check with them only.
palash
sir
i have a firm that enlisted epf & hv a PF REGISTRATION NO.
But my firm is not ruuning now.
i have not deducting any pf from employee.
what is to do for surrender my PF REG. NO?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Palash-If it is not running then how you say “i have not deducting any pf from employee.”? Please contact regional EPFO.
Gurjeet Kaur
Sir, i m a public sector bank employee, when i joined in 2013, i didn’t fill epf form and later i was never asked to fill it, also my pf was never deducted, i withdraw my whole salary, my salary is more than 15000, is it legal to continue as it is without getting the pf deducted.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gurjeet-It is legal.
Gani
Dear sir
your said that is legal. Then the employee doesn’t have choice to get deducted PF deductions in his life time employment with that organization ?
kindly Clarify my doubt. Thank you
saransh
Hello
I wanted to to know regarding my PF. Earlier my basic was 10200, hence i was lying under PF bracket and had to open my PF account. But now my basic has increased to 15400, So now can i close my PF account as i am not in the minimum bracket of opening PF account i.e. 15000?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saransh-You salary increased in middle of service but not at the beginning of itself. Hence, once you joined as member then you no longer opt out. You have to continue (even if your salary increased more than Rs.15,000).
ABHIJIT BOSE
I’ve resigned from ROLI BOOKS, New Delhi on 9th May and submitted my PF withdrawal and Pension compliances but still no updates received from my past employer regarding the submission of the same in PF office, what am I to do, also need to know my current PF balance.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhijit-Contact the employer or check by visiting online portal.
sanjeeb kanungo
sir, i want to know, a employer deduct 12% of employee basic of maximum wages — Rs-…….?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanjeeb-It is 12% of Basic+Da.
Dipeshwar
I transferred my PF account from Employer 1 to Employer 2 when I moved companies. I had worked at Employer 1 for two years and at Employer 2 for four years. When issuing a cheque for my PF withdrawal request, Employer 2 erroneously deducted tax, since they forgot to check that the account had been funded for more than 5 years. Now, they are asking me to claim the excess tax in my return.
The problem is that I do not reside in India, do not have any income here and hence, do not file a tax return. What other options are available to me? Is the company liable in this case to give me the tax amount, since they made the mistake? Please advise. Thank you.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Dipeshwar-Please contact legal experts. It is wrong of what your 2nd employer did.
Prateek
Dear Sir,
I have few Questions :-
1.) I have registered my establishment on 12th may, so is it mandatory to start deducting PF from may month salary also?
2.)When an employee has PF account in previous company and current company does not have PF account then what should he do ? Because as you said withdrawing in service is illegal.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prateek-1) I am not sure about this law. I am totally new to employer-related laws. 2) In that case he can withdraw.
Parinaaz
Hi. PF started getting cut from my salary 3-4 months back. My CTC is Rs. 16,000. I think my employer is deducting PF from my salary itself. As per your website, that is illegal. I am giving below, my salary break-up. Can you please tell me if my employer is right in doing this…: (figures are per month)
Basic Salary 7547
HRA 3019
Medical 1250
Conveyance 1600
Special Allowance 1678
GROSS SALARY 15,094 (A)
Co.’s contribution to PF (12% of Basic) 906 (B)
Cost to Company (CTC) 16,000 (A+ B)
Professional Tax 150
PF Contribution of Employee 906
NET PAY: 14,038
Awaiting your reply
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Parinaaz-In your case it is not illegal. Because they are showing as cost to company. But not deducting from your SALARY.
vizhnu
My basic + DA is 4800p.m while joining in a company so am compulsorily comes under PF act. from 1st nov 2014 onwards am getting Basic+DA 16500. now my question is in what amount pf should be deducted i.e 6500 or 15000 or 16500. kindly reply me soon
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vishnu-It will be either at Rs.15,000 or Rs.16,500. It depends on your employer. Check the same.
Mukesh
Hi,
I run a firm that is just about crossing the threshold of 20 people. None of my employees has a salary less than Rs. 15000. Is it mandatory for my firm to register with EPFO?
(a) If no employee is interested in PF
(b) If some employees are interested in PF on a voluntary basis
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mukesh-Registration is mandatory but opting the EPF is left with employee.
Sushma
Sir,
Many people are of view that once PF member then he is member for life time & cannot opt out, but not this rule in getting in Pf act, is it true?
If employee whose salary is above Rs 15000 was already PF member in previous company, now he wants to opt out of PF in new company , can he do so?
If yes he can opt out, then what formalities should be followed by new company, what employee should mention in Pf form 11?
Please help as I am facing problem as I have to reply employer as well as employee.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sushma-Your first doubt is not clear to me. Can you elaborate more? While joining new company, he can opt out of EPF. Contact your new employer regarding the procedure.
Rajesh S
Sir, I have a query regarding EPF, My query is we are in construction business, Doing construction contract in a company and we have 20 permanent labours and more than 30 temprovery labours, the problem with the temprovery labours is that in everyday they change, like 1 labour will work one day and someother labour will join in the next day, so the same labour wont be working continually, Thus suggest me in this regard how can I complay with the EPF rules.
Because of this non complaince of the EPF rules on temprovery labours the company withholding our payments, if we try to follow rules then we have to register every labour to EPF. So please give your valuable advice in this regards,
Thanks in advance.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rajesh-Discuss the same with regional EPFO regarding the applicability of rule.
Vinuta Patil
Hi Sir,
I am working as a Payroll Executive in Bangalore. One of my client is registered with under EPF in the month of January 2015 and now few of the employees want to opt out form the EPF contribution. Can they do so? If so then which form to be submit to PF Department? Please let me know if any other documents need to submit.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Vinuta Patil
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vinuta-If they fall within minimum salary limit then how can they opt out?
Nitin Tripathi
Hi,
I work in MNC, my salary is approx. 55000/- p.m, it has been divided into different segments which includes basic, HRA,conveyance allowance & fix special allowance. b
My basic is 23000/-.
Am I entitled to get employer’s contribution on basic only or on complete salary?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nitin-Your EPF contribution restricted to Basic only.
Venkat Sesh
Sir, My company has 23 employees in 5 different locations in 2 states. Salaries will be above and below 15,000 with majority being around Rs. 10,000 per month. Is the company eligible to enrol into EPF? They were told that they need not as they are in mulitple locations…!
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Venkat-In my view, multiple location not matters.
Suseel Jai Krishnan
Sir,
I have been with an Engineering College for 4 years and had my contribution in EPF through that Institution.Now I had joined a new Engineering College where there is no concept of EPF for Teaching Faculty members.
I found that after 3 years my EPF account becomes Inoperative. I would like to transfer my PF account. But how could I do if there is no habit of EPF in this new college. Few even say that I would lose my job if I insist on opening a EPF account for me.
Please suggest me the ways or means by which I can attract the employer to help me out, such as explaining the benefits for Employer if implementing EPF.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suseel-If employee strength is more than 20 they how can they stay away from EPF rules?
Suseel Jai Krishnan
Sir, That is true. It has got an employee count of more than 350. But everyone gets a salary with basic pay more than 15000, but HRA, DA is so adjusted that the pay is very less. AICTE is being misguided during inspection. With 7 years of experience I possess am recruited and deputed as Assistant Professor with a consolidated pay of 33000 and the basic pay itself is 33000. So they have indirectly insisted that am not eligible for EPF. But I have also understood that once I become a member of EPF, I cannot be neglected of having PF contributions anywhere. But I would be only forced to leave the Institution if I insist on having EPF account opened in this new workplace.
I don’t know what and all has to be verified about an employer before joining the new job. Totally fed up about the country and its policies, loop holes, lethargy about concerned departments. I could not fight against big money bag employers, bureaucrats, government to resolve all these public issues.
S Venkatesan
Hello everyone… I am having a very similar problem like that of suseel Jai Krishnan.
I served as teacher in a reputed institution with EPF facility..
Recently joined another institute where EPF is given to those with basic salary lesser than 15000.
My current employer says that i can not be included in their PF scheme on the basis of salary given to me.
PF rules say that an existing PF member can not withdraw PF amount upon joining another company which is registered with EPF scheme.
So neither i can withdraw my EPF nor i can continue my EPF.
By Law current employer must include existing PF member in their PF scheme irrespective of basic salary given
If i take this legally probably i may get EPF for few months … then the employer might show me the way out for one reason or the other.
Our laws are very peculiar that they always put the one in suffering into more suffering..
One who joins a good private company stays long with the company and upon 5 years of continuous EPF contribution by the company he attains a situation that at sometime later when he quits the job he can withdraw EPF without any tax.
Unfortunately if a person can not settle in any job continuously, switches job at regular intervals due to difficult working conditions or health problems , then EPF account may not be continuous and may end up with a situation to pay tax for withdrawal of EPF
priya
hii sir
I need to know
a) if an employee has got a salary hike from 10,000 to 20,000 then can he withdraw his membership from PF?
if the salary hike is within the company and
if the salary hike s between the 2 companies
b) if an employee has joined on 26th of the month and he s given a 5 day salary where pf wld b reduced. but the employee doesnt want a PF rdn.. so wat s to b done according to the law.
plz help me ….
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Priya-If he is already a member then he can’t stay away. However, while changing job in a new company, you can opt to be out. Employers deduct the EPF, if it is within a law.
prem
my salary is 16000 above i am working under private company they take my Pf contribution and company contribution in my salary. so i want to stop my PF contribution can any one help me pls.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prem-In your salary means in CTC?
prem
ya Mr.Basavaraj Tonagatti
Himesh
Dear Sir
I worked with a company for a year and then resigned. Its been a year now and still i dint collected my PF amount from that company. I want to know is there any time limit like after this many years you cant apply for PF?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Himesh-You can apply now and transfer it (if you are doing job) otherwise withdraw it.
Ravindra
sir my employer dint give me pf num but they have deducted for 7 months…now I have quit company if I ask for deduction amount they are straight away telling it cant be given…wat do I do pls reply on baravindra446@gmail.com
Basavaraj Tonagatti
RAvindra-The only way is to fight and get that information properly.
Praveen Kumar
sir i am working in state govt. Himachal Pradesh on outsource contract basis .my salary is more then 15000.But I have not EPF Account can i start EPF Scheme. I want to open My EPF Account .So Please solve my problem how can open .
Thanks
Er. Praveen Sharma
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Praveen-I think you being an outsourced employee, the current employee may not started EPF. Discuss the same with your employer who actually hired you.
Praveen Kumar
sir other employee have EPF account Because they earn less then 15000. and they are same outsource employee
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Praveen-Then You have to discuss the same with your employer.
murali
Dear Sir,
My previous organization has mention that as per PF ACT, PF amount can be withdrawn only under the following situations:
1) Not working in any organization in the near future.
2) Working in an organization where the PF act is not applicable.
3) Going abroad to work once resign.
Is this true can i withdraw my PF amount for my personal reasons.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Murali-You can withdraw for some other special purposes too like construction of house, illness or kids marriage.
RIJU AM
” Sir,
If am resigning after my 5 year service (am 29 year old) and requesting for EPF withdrawal, what about the 8.33% of deducted EPS amount?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Riju-If you don’t want to continue further employment then only you can withdraw, otherwise it is illegal. At the same time, you have to forget EPS.
Akshay Degada
Hello Sir,
My Current Salary is 8000 and in my salary slip pf amount show as 1588 (744+844) but in actually in my epf account amount added per month is 1488, i don’t know why my efp account in added amount 100 Rs less.
When i task with my accountant in my office she was telling me you get all your amount (like per month 1588 + intrest)when you withdrawal, this is right or wrong?
please give me answer
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Akshay-It is purely wrong information. When they are deducting Rs.1,588 then it must reflect in your EPF account too. Whether she give this Rs.100 PM from her own pocket? I think something they are hiding.
saju kuriakose
Hello sir,
I am working in an institution where most of the employees are covered under EPF Scheme.I joined the institution in Nov 2010 and my salary was Rs 8000/-(fixed)at that time and application for PF deduction was turned down citing the reason that “employees having pay more than Rs 6500/- are not eligible for management share of PF” and in 2014 my pay got increased to Rs 15200/- in June 2014 consequent on appointment on permanent post.Since the basic plus DA is more than Rs 15000/- the management refused to enroll me in PF scheme.Is there any way to get an EPF account opened with management share and own share?please enlighten me in this regard.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saju-Considering the salary slab they might have rejected you. You can insist your employer that you want to contribute voluntarily.
Bhargav P Kaushik
Sir,
I was working in a company basef in Mumbai since 02.01.2003. I was posted in Kolkata.My PF A/C is in Mumbai. suddenly my co closed the operation from May’2014. I have sent PF withdrawal form duly signed by me to co. to forward the same to respective deparment for further action. But still I have not received the PF amount.From reliable source I came to know that my co. has not deposited PF contribution after 31.03.2013. Please guide me where to complain.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Bhargav-Complain with Mumbai EPFO.
jesmon
hi I changed my job. I would like to withdraw the previous PF, will get caught?
previous pf office is in chennai and now am working in banglore
current company has new pf account?
is it okay if i withdraw the previous pf?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Jesmon-You can’t withdraw and only can transfer it.
Hrushikesh
Hi Basavaraj,
I have a query on UAN. My UAN was generated by my previous employer and that was linked by the employer. It has been activated by me. I have changed the company now, and I provided the form 11 when I joined. I am not able to see the present employer passbook, instead it still shows the previous company passbook, and also in “Choose Your Current Member Id:” dropdown it only lists the previous employer member Id. How can I get my present member id linked and view the present employer passbook ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hrushikesh-I feel it is not yet updated.
Gaurav
Dear sir,
Grateful if you can share in which conditions, an employee has an option to opt out of PF. Below are a couple of scenarios:
A. A person is a fresher and joins a company at a salary more than 15k. The organisation he is joining deducts PF for employees. Can this person opt out?
B. After a break, the person has withdrawn all his PF monies deducted during his previous employment. Now he is joining an organisation (salary>15k) which is a member and deducts PF for employees. Can this person opt out?
C. Is it allowed for a company to have both kinds of employees – some having PF deductions and others who have opted out at the time of joining?
Regards
Gaurav
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Gaurav-A) Initially the person can opt out but not in the middle. B) He can discontinue. But he can’t withdraw the EPF as you are not out of job but in the job. C) Yes, it is possible.
MAMTA
DEAR SIR, PF DEDUCTION FROM GROSS SALARY IS LEGAL OR NOT ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mamta-It is illegal. Becuase salary for EPF is not gross salary.
MAMTA
SIR, M IN NEW COMPANY AND IN MY NEW COMPANY “PF” DEDUCT FROM GROSS NOT IN BASIC…IT IZ LEGAL OR NOT ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mamta-I already replied, it is illegal.
Hrushikesh
Hi basavaraj,
I was with a company from may 2007 to oct 2009. I had submitted form 19 and from 10C for withdrawal. Form 19 is approved and I have received the amount, but the form 10C status is still under process. Do I need to contact EPF office for the same or it would take some time for them to approve the 10C ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Hrushikesh-Better you contact EPF if the delay is more than 15 days or more.
Hrushikesh
Hi Basavaraj,
The form 10C also gor approved and I received the payment. It usually takes 3-4 days to get processed.
anand
I need to know – Any establishment which employs less than 20 employees (say 15 employees) and some employees (say 6 employees) getting basic salary of Rs. 6000 per month than that company/employees also need to open PF account because I believe establishment which employs less than 20 employees don’t need to open PF accounts of employee but in this case some employee getting basic salary less than 6500. Please suggest.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Anand-Salary not matters to be eligible for EPf, number of employees that matters.
raj
If basic salary is more than 15800 in.april month in 2015 then may i apply for pf or not
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Raj-You can opt but only at start of job but not in middle.
Ashish
Hi,
current I am in service but I have left my previous company 3 years ago. I have yet completed the PF transfer process.
1. Do I continue to earn interest in my previous inactive PF account ?
2. What the max period I will continue to earn interest in my previous account ?
3. Do I get interest of past years once I transfer the amount from inactive account to the active account?
4. Do I need to initiate different transfer process for PF amount and Pension amount
Awaiting your response.
Many Thanks.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashish-Please go through my earlier post “What is Inoperative EPF Account and how to track it online?“.
Ashish
Thanks for your quick response. This is helpful.
The account is classified as inoperative account only after 36 months. Is that understanding right ? For my account I still have 1 more month left.
For my question 4 could you please help.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashish-Yes, you can go ahead and transfer the old account.
Bhavadeesh
Hi
I worked for a company from 2011 to 2013 and then i shifted to a new company in 2013.But till now i did not transferred or withdrawn my PF from old company.Is it possible to apply and get the PF amount now(not transferring to current account,I would like to get the money from the PF account).
Thank you
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Bhavadeesh-You have to transfer but not withdraw during your service.
Chetan
Hi Sir,
I have 1 question. I was working in Pvt. Ltd. Company. Now i m working in MNC company. I just want to know how to get the UAN Number?
And how much time should i wait to deposite the pf amount after submitting a form in the company?
My previous company is saying as per new rules after 6 months you can apply for withdrawn pf amount.
Pls let me know. Is it correct?
Thanks in advance.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Chetan-Regarding UAN process, I suggest you to contact your current empoyer. Withdrawing in service is illegal.
Vijay
Actually I was working in an organization b4 3years I fail to reimburse my PF is it possible to get the amount now which they deduct from my salary 3years before
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vijay-Yes, you can apply for transfer to your current EPF account.
NIshad
We have 3 branches in India, all together, there are 25 staffs are there.
On last year, we approached to PF office at Calicut, and they informed there will be a norm, PF will be applicable only those organisation have more than 20 employee in an office.
Kindly inform, in our case, PF is applicable or not?
If a person salary (BP) is more than Rs. 15000/-, can they included in the PF scheme?
Awaiting for your reply?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nlshad-When employee strength is more than 25, then EPF applies. If basic+Da is more than Rs.15,000 then employee may opt out of EPF.
sanket Nagarkar
If company have deduct 24% p.f. from salary, n telling or showing on salary slip are 12deduction on.
Is it right..?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanket-They may be showing 24% as CTC. In that case there is no wrong.
Amreen
Hello, Please clarify that if a person goes on an extended leave for around 7-8 weeks, and is in loss of pay for whole or a part of the period, will the PF be deducted for that time.
Thanks.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Amreen-If it is loss of pay then I don’t think your EPF deducted for that period. Because anyhow you are not getting any salary during that period.
Renuka
Hi, I am contributed the VPF same like PF 12%. but I wish to contribute the VPF more than 12%. so, shall I do the same.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Renuka-Yes you can do so.
Rathin Paul
Dear sir,
I have been deducting my pf from last 3 years, can you tell me how can I withdraw my amount,what is the apply procedure?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rathin-Withdrawal while in job is only for special purpose.
vijay kumar
Dear sir,
My basic salary is 12937/-. My PF deduction is 12% i.e. 1552/- But my company is contributing only 474/-. Can i know the details regarding PF. What should be the actual contribution of company.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vijay-I am not sure why your employer contributing less than 12%. Please discuss the same with your employer.
Marina M
If a Co does not have the EPF facility for their employees, are they still liable to pay some minimum balance to EPFO for maintaining the account. If yes then how much?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Marina-If company not providing EPF facility then where comes the maintenance?
Abhishek
Dear Basavaraj Sir,
My CTC is 25000 per month, my basic is 10000, my employer deducts my PF contribution as 1200 and employers contribution as 1200 also from my salary. after deducting 208 for medical i get 21559 monthly excluding 10000/12 as yearly bonus.
So i get 24167-1200-1200-208=21559
Is this correct and legal… Please do help me and reply ASAP. I would be highly indebted to you
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhishek-It is already discussed in above post. Please read once again.
sudhakar
Hello sir…
I am having 16 years service and still working in the same organization. Till today EPF contributions are being deducting from both employee’s and employer’s side every month. at present my basic + da becomes more than 40k. now what i want to know is
a) I wish to start VPF from this year ie 2015 financial year. for that what is the procedure and whom I have to met?
b)Is this VPF contribution will get the benefit of IT 80C exemption.
c) what is the right time to start VPF in the year 2015.(ie, which month onwards)
e)is the interest of VPF also compounding every month like EPF.
d) Up to what % can be recover from employee towards VPF in addition to 12% epf….
Please reply your valuabel suggestions.
Thanks in advance..
Sudhakar. 19.02,2015
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sudhakar- a) Contact your employer. b) Yes you get tax benefits of your contribution. c) There is no such right time at all. d) It depends on your wish.
Suman
My monthly salary is say Rs 30000 and PF contribution is say Rs 2000. This 2000 is deducted in my April salary and I get in hand Rs 28000.But my employer deposits my PF contribution(2000)+ employer share of Rs 2000 , in next month May. Is it allowed as such , to deduct PF contribution from this current month and deposit in the next month?What is the actual rule? If possible, do provide any link where this information is present.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suman-Usually it takes time to deposit to account.
sanyukta
If an employee resigned just after 4 month of his joining is he eligible for PF withdraw?
lovy
Is it mandatory for a company to give epf contribution? Is it possible to only register and not pay epf contribution?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Lovy-If you are deducting from employee then it is mandatory to match that contribution.
chetan agrawal
Hello sir, I am leaving my current organisation with 3 years of experience and this was my first organisation .I am also joining the new organisation but I want to withdraw my pf from priveous organisation rather than transfer to new organisation
According to new rules is that possible can you please answer .
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Chetan
Srinivasa T N
Hi,
I have been not working since 11 months and I don’t intend to join any company in the future. I had worked for 17 years before I left the job arnd 11 months back.
– What happens to my PF Balance?
– Should I withdraw it?
– How long can I leave it with EPFO so that I keep getting interest on the balance?
– What happens to the Pension amount that was deducted from salary as long as I was working?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Srinivasa-You can withdraw it. You get interest up to 3 years from last contribution. After that the account is treated as dormant and will not earn interest. You start to get EPS based on the service conditions.
Sanket
Sir,
It it possible for employer to structure the CTC such that employer’s contribution would be more than 12-13%? As this component is not taxable or under 80C, we can get benefit or investment with no income tax liabilities?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sanket-If you want more contribution towards EPF then you can do it as volunteer contribution. This is called as VPS.
Rajesh
sir,
whether pf contribution is based on only basic and DA or the full salary with any other allowances?
please help in knowing this sir.
because my salary is 24000 and it is divided as 8000 basic and 16000 other allowances.
but it is not mentioned as DA
what should be my pf contribution?
whether employer has the right to keep away the employee from EPF scheme for having salary more than 15000
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rajesh-In your case if DA is not there then deduction will be only on basic but not on other allowances.
Shafeequr rahman
Sir
I am working in company and I am uploaded our employees KYC details to UAN. while updating member information I wrongly enter the personal details of one employee( DOJ, DOB,Father’s Name) to other employee as sames. How can I correct it. Please guide me sir The kyc details
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Shafeequr-I am not aware about this. Better you contact your nearest EPFO.
C.N.ANANTHKRISHNAN
Please tell me as to how much share of provident fund contributed by the employer will an employee get if he resigns before three months as I resigned the job in 2005
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ananthkrishnan-Why you want to withdraw if you are planning to continue job?
Vishnu Kamath k
Sir,
A newly started establishment has reached its headcount to 20, but all employees are drawing their Basic above Rs. 15,000 and none of them had withdrawn their PF accumulations from their previous Companies.
Can all of them opt out from PF enrollment by submitting Form 11? Since their previous PF Accounts are still active I am not sure whether they can be excluded.
If they can be excluded, then still the Company needs to get enrolled into PF scheme? Please confirm..
Thanks in advance..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vishnu-Company have to enroll to EPF. But employee have an option to opt out (irrespective of their previous employment enrollment).
Raj Malhotra
Currently a portion of my PF contribution goes under pension fund. I am employed with a private sector company since past 9 years and 4 months.
I learned that if I complete 10 years I will be eligible for pension (locked to the scheme) but I understand that the amount will be very meager.
Is there a possibility for me to withdraw the pension component now, while I am still continuing with the usual provident fund as well as employment with the same private sector company?
Thanks.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Raj-You can’t do so.
yash jhaveri
Please advise – once the employee leaves a company , after how much time lapse can he claim his pf? can you guide me on the process ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Yash-It is already mentioned above.
Kannan S.N.
Hi,
I had done my contribution on EPS scheme. I left from company last month. I have done my service for four years. I joined on july 2010. upto sep-2014 i have contribute for 780 from my side and 780 from employer side.
My question is:
If i surrender my eps, I will get less money as per table “D”.
Shall i surrender after 6 years? Am i eligible to get pension after 10 years.
Right now i am 40 years old. Or i can get after 50 years old.
Or shall i surrender my eps document (form 19)? which one is best method? whether i have to surrender now or have to do later?
Please explain me in details
Thanks
Kannan Natarajan
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kannan-So many questions? Please go through EPS rules.
Vijaysinha Kate
Shall I chose option to deduct PF only on Rs. 1000/- out of Rs. 7500/- total salary?
Vijaysinha Kate
My total salary is Rs. 7500/- and my employer deducting PF at 12% on 6500/- and because of funds shortage I want to deduct PF Rs. 120/- instead of Rs. 780/- ?
Please let me know lower slap of Basic Salary for deducting PF on?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Vijaysinha-You can’t do that.
Brahmanath A Khanapure
Good morning sir,
may I ask my doubts about
1948 Indian factories act (Worker and work experience)
pl reply.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Brahmanath-I am not aware about this act and I am not an expert in this factories act and all. Sorry to say this.
Ram
Hi basavaraj,
I working in a company since Last 2 years but my company started deducting pf from sep 2014 and because of health issues i have resigned on 2 jan 2015 am i eligible for pf withdrwal?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ram-Whether you stop doing job or continue after you come out of your health issues?
Ram
Yes i will countinue
Ram
I will countinue but in another company
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ram-Then it is illegal to withdraw it.
Nitesh sharma
Hi Sir,
I am working for a MNC and the Employer contribution is Also deducted from the employer Salary Itself . How Should we take it across the Relevant Authorities . Also the Gratuity Amount is also debited from our Salary Only is it Legal ?
Kindly Help with the above to questions .
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nitesh-First discuss with your employer. If he not heed then approach regional EPFO.
Monika
Dear Sir,
If the employee is covered under Pf Deduction resigns from the job, But re joins the same company after 3 months on a slary of 18000/ per month .Will the Pf Deduction will be applicable on him.
Kinldy advice
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Monika-In that case he have option to opt out of EPF.
Abhishek
Hi
I am working in a company since last 10 years. My PF was not being dedcuted starting from DOJ, but now from Sep’14 my employer starts deducting PF saying this is mandatory now for all employee. while i am not willing to dedcut the same. my basic is 15000/-. can i opt not to deduct the PF. what are the procedure for the same. please suggest!!!
Regards
Abhishek
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Abhishek-If your Basic is more than Rs.15,000 then you can opt out.
Varun Handa
Hi,
I am a member of epfo since last 3 years,i am changing the company and i am looking to opt out of the pf due to huge deduction of pf both employee and employer contribution,my salary is more than 15 k,please let me know whether i can opt out of pf while changing job or not.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Varun-Before joining the company you can do that.
Ritesh Kumar
Sir,
the amount that is deducted from my salary for PF is not the same as the amount that is getting deposited in my PF account. I spoke with the competent authorities also regarding the same but i have not got any revert from them. please suggest me how to proceed further regarding the same.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ritesh-Complain with regional EPFO.
Nagarjuna
HI Sir,
I worked in a company for more than 1 year and i left the job but the strange thing is my previous employers who left the job about 3-4 years ago they also didn’t get their pf amount . So where do i complain about ? Just help me out…..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Nagarjuna-May I know the meaning of “My previous employers who left the job about 3-4 years ago”?
pallavi
Hii I had a pf account in my last job bt I left d job and withdrew d money frm my pf account….nw m working in an institute since april 2014 nd my salary z above 15000…bt dey askd me to gv an application to avail d pf facility…by tge time I gabe application…d nw rule of pf came due to which my employers are refusing to deduct pf… is dere a possibility to gt a pf account now….?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pallavi-Why they are not accepting your application? What reason they are stating?
Sameer Todankar
Respected Sir,
First of all I would like to thank you for your posts and FAQs about PF, lots of people are getting benefit from them….thank you so much for the effort you are putting to answer people’s query.
I am working in a BPO from past 5 years and my PF was getting deducted and there was some contribution from my employer also but recently they have informed all employees that there will be a change in PF deduction as per new rule and they will start deducting the PF from December 2014 payout but as rule was changed from Sept 2014 so we will have to pay the difference.
There was company’s contribution in the PF we already paid but the remaining amount wont have company’s contribution and employees will have to bear it alone. When we asked our HR so they are saying that the company’s contribution is already included in our CTC and from now on wards company will contribute the same amount what they were contributing earlier and whatever amount will increase as per new law that will be deducted from employee’s salary.
They are also planning to get some paper signed which will have new CTC breakup without changing the actual amount of current CTC so they can deduct the increased amount from our salary legally.
The initial offer which I signed that has a point in which they have mentioned that they can change employee’s CTC anytime without giving prior notice but as per FAQ 10 you have mentioned that is not legal when it comes to PF.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sameer-Please restrict your comments to general sharing. It is not right platform to share your personal details.
Sameer Todankar
Fine but I just wanted to get a clear picture from your answer, thats the reason I had given all the details, m still waiting for your reply regarding what i mentioned above.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sameer-They just making you people scapegoat by mentioning the CTC. It is wrong to get employer contribution from employer.
Ashok Kumar
Hi Basavaraj,
I appreciate the initiative you have taken to answer the queries. Good Work.
I recently changed my organization. During the initial negotiation , I was not aware about the PF rule changes (from Sep. 2014 onwards) and I negotiated my take home salary as per the breakup provided to me.
When I was given my appointment letter, the salary breakup is same, however I have been asked to sign a letter related to the PF rule change. The letter says :
The basic salary ceiling has been increased to INR 15,000 per month.Hence, in-compliance to this change, the PF contribution will be calculated on the sum total of my basic, conveyance and undeclared portion of adhoc allowances (which includes LTA, Medical reimbursement, etc.)
As a result my monthly take home will be less as compared to what I negotiated on. I understand that even if my total package was more, the deductions would have been more, but it would have made difference for sure.
Can you help and guide me should I go back to my HR and raise this concern.
Thanks.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashok-When you already signed then I don’t think they budge. Also let it be as this is investment for you.
Pankaj Kuamr
Where will i get the member id to activate my UAN based registration?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Pankaj-Ask your employer for the same.
kailas
last year month of oct my basic salary is 9750 /- but company diduct pf amount Rs:780 ….. ? how it is by rule it comes 12 % on basic it should be 1170
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kailas-I can’t comment without knowing your salary components.
Mastan
Dear Sir,
As i worked with M/s ……………… since 2000 they have deducted funds from salary towards epf and after few years the management has changed and the epf number also changed when i went for epf withdrawal they mentioned only the current managements fund.
At the time of epf withdrawal form they give false info to fill it on, due to which epf office is sending back the filled/submitted forms through ordinary post which doesn’t have proof to ask employer they simply replies they didn’t receive any document from epf office.
How could i fight to get my epf deducted by earlier management? For every two three years they keep on changing name of Organisation and eating away employees funds either by not depositing epf funds in epf account of employee or simply saying after 10 years you will get your epf return. How correct is this. Kindly guide how to get back my epf funds from Them. Is there any law to fight/case against that organisation.
Regards
Mastan
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Mastan-If you have past EPFO info than you directly go to EPF office and apply for withdrawal. If they are doing such irregularities, then you all employees can raise the issue with EPFO.
Saurabh
My Basic is 9600/-, DA 3490/-. The company is deducting PF @ 1800/- pm, but as employer contribution, they contribute only 780/-. How far is it correct?, also, they are not giving option for my deduction to be kept at 12% of Basic plus DA. Kindly confirm if this is right. In case it is not correct, what is the way out? where to escalate?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saurabh-They deducting more from your salary and compensating that towards their contribution. It is illegal. You can raise this issue with them.
Saurabh
Hi Basavraj, Thanks for reverts. The concern is raised, but have received unsatisfactory answer. They said that they would follow this process and would not change. They have an opinion that the employees can leave organization, but they would continue with their process.
Would be great, if you can guide how and where to complain against them.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Saurabh-Nothing to worry, complain to EPFO regional office and register the same with online grievance portal of EPFO. Update the same happenings to your employer also. So that he can feel the heat of your concern.
RUBY M. DAMANIA
From 1st September, 2014 I am getting monthly pension of Rs. 935 instead of minimum
Rs. 1000. Nobody explain the reason for deduction of Rs. 65 from my minimum pension of Rs. 1000 Can you please help ? Ruby Damania
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ruby-Nobody in the sense to whom you contacted?
Divyangi Bhatt
Hello Sir, I want to know the Calculation of PF as we received PF Slip at the end of the every financial year how it will be calculated?? Please guide me for the same.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Divyangi-You can find the method in my earlier post “How EPF (Employees’ Provident Fund) interest is calculated?“.
sukhvir gurung
this portal is very helpful to me to satisfy my
a lot of thanks
Mohit
Is it possible that i can opt out of EPS and full 12% of my employer’s contribution goes to EPF?
Prasenjit Sharma
Hello !
I would be more than happy if you could please answer my question.
I have completed 10 years in my organisation in Oct’14. In July’14, i met with an accident because of which i am still on bed rest. Now i want to withdraw my PF. I am not getting salary for the past 4 months. As per my situation can i withdraw my full PF amount. If yes, what is the Procedure.
Thanks
Prasenjit
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Basavaraj Tonagatti
Prasenjit-I think my earlier post “All about EPF (Employee Provident Fund) advance withdrawal” will help you.
Ayesha Sabira
Hello,
I want to query you on my PF.
As per my offer and joining letter they said my monthly CTC is 30,470, but due to effect of the 12% of the P F deduction, both from the employer an employee side I am getting monthly salary 29819 and my take home reduced to 28188. Is it correct.
Please contact me urgently on this 9640987268
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ayesha-Yes your employer may be correct.
ashish patel
Hello sir
This scheme apply only no of employee 20 or more my question is employee include who getting salary less than 15000 only or both who is getting more than 15000. Employee salry does not matter in calculation in no of employee for applicability of this scheme
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashish-It applies to all employees. But opting out of EPF is left with employees who have more than Rs.15,000 salary.
Ramachandran K
I am due to retire next year. I have been a member of the PF for more than 20 years. My pensionable salary was Rs. 6500/- till 31 Aug 2014 and Rs.15000/- from Sept-1. Which salary will be taken for pension computation?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ramachandran-Your last salary.
kaiz
I was working in theater in 2010 I left the job for personal reasons and the job was on contract and the contract now has changed and I am having pf number and I stay in pune but the pf number is of delhi and I can’t find my account on online so what should I do to claim it
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Kaiz-Contact your previous employer.
karthik
Hi, Wonderful post. A lot of questions laid out clean for a PF-ignorant folks like me. I have one more to ask though. I was with an employer since 2011 ((March) till 2013 (end of march). My PF was deducted. I quit on normal terms with my employer and have moved to a different state to a startup company ever since. since this is a startup, my new employer does not have PF. So, Can I now withdraw /close my old PF account? Will I still have to pay the tax? Or do you suggest that if I wait for another 2.5 years, I can withdraw without paying taxes. Kindly advice.
Karthik
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Karthik-You can withdraw the EPF.
Richa
I had withdrawn the PF amount for purchasing house from a builder A, but due to some dispute I had to discontinue and invest in another house with builder B. Now my organization is asking me to repay the PF money with interest saying it was not used for the purpose PF withdrawal was approved for. Please suggest me a way out. I donot have that much cash to pay back as I am aleady paying for the House loans.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Richa-You just show them that you went with Builder B.
Rahul
Hi Basa,
Can you please direct me to any Govt. documentation about rules which confirms employer deduction from salary slips are illegal ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rahul-Google it about this, you will find it either from some sites or EPFO itself.
Surendra
Hi,
My basic salary will be Rs.17698 & my company been deducting Rs. 3600 as PF, when i been ask my HR the amount been splited into two components one is Employee PF (Rs.1800) & Employer PF (RS. 1800).
As per the details mentioned above they are suppose to deduct only 12% of my basic salary. Please help me how to get this sorted this.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Surendra-I repeatedly pointed that if they are showing it in your CTC then no problem. But if they are showing it in your salary slip and deducted it monthly from your salary then it is illegal.
Rahul
Dear Basa,
Thx for compiling this important information.
What is meaning of the term- “salary at time of entry is” .
Eg. If I joined my company 5 years back when my BASIC + DA was less than 15000 ( but more than 6500) , and also enrolled in the EPF scheme at that time and if my present salry is (basic + DA) is much more than 15000, then can I opt out of this scheme ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rahul-If you are already out of EPF as earlier rule was Rs.6,500 then you can continue to do so (even if after the limit raised related to salary).
Rahul Ramachandran
What should be the minimum percentage of Basic+DA component of the total gross salary
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rahul-In my view there is no such rule. It depends on company structure which they plan to offer to their employees. But in most private organizations, they reduce Basic+DA utmost to reduce any mandatory contributions. Instead they go on add some allowance for each year salary hike.
Rahul Ramachandran
But wasnt there an newsreport stating that regional EPFO offices have been asked to investigate organisations who were paying the basic salary less than 50% of the gross?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Rahul-I am not aware of that.
R Parikh
Dear Sir,
How about something including details & analysis of Voluntary Provident Fund (VPF)
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Parish-What unique analysis you want about VPS?
KiranL
Could you please let us know where can we check the VPF amount that is being deducted by employer as per employee request?…
EPF amount can be tracked using Passbook in UAN portal,like the same way can we track VPF amount as well?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
KiranL-You will get the VPF information in the same passbook.
KiranL
Thanks for quick reply… I will wait few more weeks for the passbook to update…
Thank you,
KiranL
ujjal
I am shifting to a new firm and according to their offer they have reduced my basic from 16000 to 10000. Is that good for me or bad? Will I benefit from this reduction?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ujjal-How can I say without knowing the other salary components?
meet
Hey.. I just wanna ask where i can lodge a complaint against my company because they are deducting both employee n employer’s contribution from my salary which is not legal. M not at all happy.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Meet-Contact EPFO regional office or EPFO Grievance Cell.
ashish
I know you might have answered this questions but still have little doubt , I’ve just joined a company and they’re paying me 17000 but the basic salary is 6500, now they are deducting 2000 from my side not a single penny from their end.
Its illegal isn’t it?? Now I wants to know what’s the actual amount they should be deducting from my salary which is 17000,and what action should I take against my company..thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ashish-They have to deduct 12% of Rs.6,500 from your salary. At the same time they have to contribute the same. I think they are contributing and which might be not reflecting in your salary slip. check with your HR for the same. I am not able to understand about what that Rs.2,000 deduction.
Ritika
Hi, could you please advise what action can i take, my current company which was not deducting any pf from my salary earlier, is now forcing me to get it deducted inspite of the fact that my basic is 16000 and secondly, they deducted their contribution too from my salary
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ritika-You can approach regional EPFO office or complain directly to EPFO Grievance regarding the same.
sonia
Hi,
My sal. is 12K and company is deducting ESIC and tax, but they are not deducting PF, as government has told to deduct the sal. if the person is paid till 15k. Can you pls suggest
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sonia-If number of employees crossing the limit specified above and industry comes under EPF rules then they have to.
Meenakshi
If the employee has total salary more than 15000 and the employer was contributing on total salary 20000/ . Whether the employer now has to reduce the contribution from his side after the notification.
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Meenakshi-Either he can reduce it to mandatory amount or continue. It depends on him.
Parth Davda
Hello. Ur PF FAQ were helpful. but i wanted to ask that 12% of my salary would be going for pension or the employer’s contribution would be going? I recently got my 1st job in September.
Thanks
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Parth-It is from employer’s 12%.
Sharat Mathur
I worked for a company about 8 years back where PF was deducted. Thereafter I joined a US based company as a Resident Representative in their liasion office and no PF was deducted. Now I work for another organization which has PF. My basic salary is Rs 50,000 per month. Should I be a part of the PF program?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sharat-If your basic is more than Rs.15,000 then you have option to be away from this scheme which you need to inform to your employer.
SUMAN SAURABH
My basic+DA at the time of starting the job was 40000 approx..if i dont opt for the PF deduction from my salary, will the employer also disconinue to contribute?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Suman-Yes true.
SUMAN SAURABH
Thnx for the reply…then its better to go with the PF deduction
Sreekanth
Basa, good compilation of FAQs..Thank-you for sharing..
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sreekanth-Pleasure 🙂
ajay
HiiHii Basavaraj,
I’m working in central government and my basic is more than 15000rs at time employment than am not eligible to scheme right as per new rules…
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Ajay-Whether you already contributing to this scheme earlier also?
madhu
sir i am incorporated new business so can i pay the p.f amount or not?
madhu
sir i am incorporated new business so can i pay the p.f amount or not?
Sushma
Sir,
I have worked in one Company for one year and PF has been deducted from my salary as per the norms, but he has paid the amount to PF Department only for 8 months and still he has to pay for 4 Months. I have resigned from that Company recently and have joined the other Company.
Now my query is if i transfer my PF account to the new Company, will the balance amount unpaid by the old employer will be added even after such transfer? or else shall i wait till he pays for the remaining 4 Months.
I i wait till he pays the full amount, will the amount deducted by the new Company towards PF will be added to my account after such transfer ?
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Sushma-We discussed the same on our Facebook page.
Arun
Hi Sir ,
Thanks a lot of the Information. I need you help for the below Query.
I worked in an organization for 2 n half years and relieved properly and Joined other organization immediately and transferred my PF Account , Due to some reason I couldn’t continue with that organisation and move to other Company without informing the Employer , Currently I am working with an MNC and When I tried linking my UAN with the Previous employer , I am getting the error ” Date of Joining must be greater than Date of Exit of Previous Employer ” . So not my current employer is suggesting me to get this cleared with the Previous employer. Now Its not possible for me to contact my previous employer .
Date of Exit of Previous employer : 9-03-2015
Date of Joining ( current Employer ) : 26-02-2015
Please suggest some solution , I got strucked on this for a year.
Regards,
Arun
Basavaraj Tonagatti
Arun-If you are not able to sort it out with your past employer, then better to withdraw or raise the issue with EPFO.