When I wrote post related to LIC’s recent bonus declaration, I flooded with lot of quarries related to Jeevan Saral plan. Why so much confusion about this plan? Is it due to few new features of this plan or exaggerated returns shown by agents? I think both. So let us understand what this plan is and how you can calculate your returns.

This plan is different to other plans of LIC in case of accumulation what LIC provides, sum assured calculation and about surrender. Also I think this is highest selling plan in LIC after Jeevan Anand. I am not going in detail about plan feature but will point out the highlights.

- In this plan you can choose your premium amount which is not possible with other plans. Minimum monthly contribution in this plan is Rs.250.
- Sum Assured will be 250 times of your monthly premium payment. Hence suppose your monthly contribution is Rs.1,000 then sum assured will be Rs.2,50,000. You may call this benefit as “
**death benefit sum assured**” as this benefit is only meant for deaths. Hence don’t misunderstand that Sum Assured is the amount you get after maturity (which is the case with other plans). Hence I will call it as**Death Benefit SA**or**DBS**. So this option is bit advantages for age old buyers as irrespective of your age this DBS is fixed on your premium payment but not on your age and term you selected. This is not the case with other plans of LIC. So two persons paying same premium but age different is around 30 yrs then too they will get the same sum assured benefit under this plan. - In this plan if death occurs during the policy period then your nominee will receive this Death Benefit SA+Return of premiums paid (but excluding 1st year premium)+LA till that period.
- Now the biggest confusion arises is, what you will receive after the maturity. Usually in all LIC policies you will receive Sum Assured+Accrued Bonus+Final Additional Bonus if any. But in this plan depending on your age and term of the policy your sum assured which is also called as
**Maturity Sum Assured**will change. So during the period of taking this policy you will come to know what is your Maturity Sum Assured you will receive at the end of policy. This is fixed and will not change during the policy term. Will show you how to calculate it.

In this plan their are two types of premiums. One is called **Basic Premium** and another is called **Net Premium**. Basic premium is the base premium without adding any cost, but Net Premium is the premium which you actually pay to LIC and includes premium mode rebate (rebate of 2% for yearly and 1% for half yearly payment)+charges for providing you the death benefit SA (@1% DBS). Below table will give you the clear picture about this.

Note-Death Benefit SA charges are arrived as below-

Yearly premium of Rs.3,000 is divided into 12 and then multiplied by 250 times this will be (3,000/12)*250=62,500. This is the DAB and charges for this will be @1 hence Rs.62.

Now notice from above table that basic premium is nothing but base premium but net premium will add rebate and costs of this plan (which includes mode rebate and DAB charges @1%).

If it is so confusing to you then the simple formula to come to net premium will be multiply your basic premium by the factor **1.00083** this will result into net premium which you need to pay to LIC.

**Now what you will get after maturity?**

In this plan you will receive Maturity Sum Assured which is fixed and known to you in advance during the start of the policy once your age and term you chose. With this Maturity Sum Assured LIC will also provide you Loyalty Additions. This Loyalty Addition will be declared annually and currently LIC declared Loyalty Addition (LA) for 10 yrs and 11 yrs of policies only and which are Rs.250 and Rs.300 respectively. Based on this declaration we may presume the returns from this policy which hover around 6-7%. But for 10 yrs policy it is just around 3-4%.

**How to calculate Maturity Sum Assured yourself?**

LIC provided Basic Maturity Sum Assured list for the premium of Rs.100 per month for all ages. So just you need to select your age and policy term then multiply that to your **Basic Premium**. I am working on this chart and soon will upload the whole Basic Maturity Sum Assured Chart.

- Surrender Value-Their are three types of surrender values under this plan. To avail these option policy need to complete atleast 3 years.

a) Guaranteed Surrender Value-In this you will receive 30% of total premiums paid excluding 1st year premium, all extra premiums and accident benefit/term rider premiums.

b) Special Surrender Value-It will be of 1+2 options given below.

1) 80% of MSA will be paid if less than 4 years premium paid, 90% of MSA if between 4 to less than 5 years of premium paid and 100% of MSA if premiums are paid for 5 years or more.

2) Loyalty Addition till that period.

c) Can be made anytime after completion of 3 years or more from the start of the policy provided full premiums are paid.

So surrender will be bit easier once policy completes 5 yrs or more which is not the case with other LIC plans.

Hope this post will make easier in understanding this plan.

G KISHORE KUMAR

Sir My Name is Kishore Kumar

I have 2 Jeevan saral policy

1. policy for 10,00,000 SA taken on 15.12.2011 paying terms 20 years – I am paying 48,000 PA

2. Policy for 12,50,000 SA taken on 26.07.2013 Paying terms 16 years – I am paying 60,000 PA

if I surrender my policy after 10 years of payment what will my returns

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Kishore,

Check with branch.

Rashmi

Thank you sir . Just need a suggestion shall I continue with my policy term ie. 21 year. Will it

b beneficial?? or shall I surrender once complete 10 year.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Rashmi,

Better to surrender once it completes 10 years.

Rashmi

Hi, I have a jeevan saral policy with msa 250000,and quarterly premium of 3062 for 21 year. If I wish to surrender the policy after 10 yrs will I get the loyalty addition?? Also would like to know till what percentage to total premium paid can be be withdrawn if I want to partially surrender?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Rashmi,

Yes, if you surrender after 10 years, then you get the LA based on 10 years. Better you surrender than partial withdrawal.

Sneh Gandhi

Dear Sir, Really appreciate your effort in writing this article and educating people! I have started a home loan at 7% rate and my husband has 4 Jeevan Saral Policies Plan No. 165. We wish to surrender, to repay our home loan principal amount, but not sure if we should wait or surrender now? Details

of the 4 policies:

Policy 1:

started in yr 2011,

Maturity SA: 2,79,630

Prem paying term and Policy term: 20 yrs

Premium amt: 6065 ; Payment Mode: half yearly

Policy 2 and Policy 3 have exact same features and was started in year 2012.

Policy 4 :

Started in 2013

Maturity SA: 8,43, 856

Prem paying term and Policy term: 35 yrs !!

Premium amount: Rs. 19216 yearly

I know the surrender values against each policy but should I wait for every policy to complete 10 years or give up right away and why- pls share reason. Thank You. God Bless You!

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sneh,

Better to wait for the completion of 10 years, then go ahead for surrender.

Sneh

thank you sir. Can you please tell me what is the rate or percentage of Bonus/ loyalty addition in Jeevan Saral Policies..I didn’t find it on LIC website as this policy is discontinued now. If Bonus is a very small amount, then maybe it is not worth the wait. What is the total Premium I pay in the next 1 or 2 years will probably exceed the Bonus addition that I get along with surrender value after 10 years.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sneh,

It is very much available on LIC website under Bonus Rate tab. This policy not offer you bonus but only LA.

TANMOY MUKHERJEE

Dear Mr Basavaraj,

I have 2 Jeevan Saral policy. I want to surrender my both policies. What’s your advice…

Details of policy

1) COD – 5/6/2013

Death Sum Assured-625000

Maturity Sum Assured-643675

Premium-30025(yearly)

Term- 20 years(2033)

2) COD – 9/7/2010

Death Sum Assured-62500

Maturity Sum Assured-47325

Premium-255(monthly)

Term- 15years(2025)

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Tanmoy,

Surrender those who completed 10 years.

Kavita Kamath

Hello Sir

I am Kavita Kamath

I have a jeevan saral policy which was taken on 24.02.2011 for a total monthly premium of Rs 1531 incl tax (Yearly 18372). The Maturity Sum Assured is Rs 507360. I have been paying it till date. But now i want to surrender the policy. Can you please let me know what will be my surrender value that i will receive.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Kavita,

It is better you pay it for one more year (completion of 10 years), then opt for surrender.

Abhijeet

Hi blogger…thank you for letting us know about Jeevan Saral Plan.

Can you please provide your inputs, as I went to branch for surrendering the policy, but they advised me to pay for 10 yrs and get eligible for additional amount. Should I pay for reaming two years or not (i.e. 2020 and 2021) ?

Here are the details of policy –

Commencement Date : 2012

SA : 5,00,000

Premium : 24,020

Premium Paying Term (Yrs) :21 i.e. 2033

Maturity Sum Assured: 5,79,500.00

Thanks in advance and appreciate your work !!

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Abhijeet,

Better you surrender now.

Rahul Garg

Hello Sir,

Thank you for helping so many people from your blog. It is a great help indeed.

I am in an extreme dilemma right now and would appreciate your guidance. Below is my policy details:

I started it in December year 2011 at the age of 18 and the term is 15 years.

Semi-annual Premium: 18,195.

Maturity Sum Assured: 5,88,450.

Till now I made 16 payments of the same which leads to a total payment of 2,91,120 (18195*2 * 16) and when I recently came to know my surrender value which is 2,51,000.

I was planning to surrender the policy but checking this loss stopped me, Initially, I was having high hopes but now my target is to reduce the loss as much as I can. I am also not clear with the calculation of Loyalty Additions.

Should I continue with this policy for another 6.5 years or another 1.5 years for LA or should I surrender it asap?

Kindly suggest.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Rahul,

The more you try to reduce the loss, the more you will be under the trap.

Dinesh

Hi Basuji,

I am confused regarding surrender value clause.

“Special Surrender Value 100% of MSA if premiums are paid for 5 years or more.”

Policy name : Jeevan Saral

Term : 30 years

Premium: 6125 quarterly

Purchased in 2011

Age was 26 at the time of purchase

So, If I calculate the surrender value as per clause as per my understanding it is around Rs. 222590 [=Premium paid till date in years (7.5) x MSA (890360) /policy term in years(30)]. For this calculation I have taken MSA value which is mentioned on my bond.

But when I have checked with LIC office it is only Rs. 155655 (against Rs.183750 total premiums paid till date).Could you please provide your guidance what is going wrong as I am not getting what i have paid till date as per clause.

What can be done to get the at least the amount which I have paid till date for premium while surrendering the policy?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Dinesh,

MSA value which you took is for that particular 30 years. You have to reduce the MSA to the 7 years and do the calculation accordingly. This is the catch with this product.

vineet wahi

Hi…

Need advice …!

Policy name : Jeevan Saral

Term : 35 years

Premium: 3062 pm

Purchased in 2011

Age was 29

Should I continue with the same or should I surrender

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Vineet,

Continue-If you feel the Life Coverage is sufficient for your family to survive (if death occurs today) and also if you feel 5% to 6% returns are BEST for you.

Discontinue-If you feel both above points are not meeting with this policy.

vineet wahi

Hi,

I do have other lic policy along with 75lac term policy. I want to know if This policy can give me a good return at the time of maturity cuz someone told me to surrender this policy and switch to a good / high return policy.

What should I do please suggest .

KSHIRSAGAR

Monthly premium Rs.1000/- ,Age at the time of policy 34 , term is 10 years Lic calculated maturity sum assured @10889 and loyalty addition @355

pls adv how this figures were calculated .

Why exaggerated returns shown by Lic while introducing policy ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Kshirsagar,

For your information, such exaggerated figures were not shown by LIC but by few agents.

lalit

Hi Tonagatti,

Thanks for your effforts in putting this information in a blog.

I am staying out of india so difficult to visit branch and get things done.

If you dont mind can you please help with the calculation.

I took the policy in dec 2012 at the age of 29 for half yearly premium 9097 (yearly it becomes 18194 Inr) .

I took it as the agent was close relative and now when i review all my financial investment , I find this policy as not a great option and rather i will prefer some MUTUAL FUND + Term policy.

How much roughly I can get now (18194 * 6 years = 109164 INR Premium paid so far) If i surrender the policy. what is the best option to come out or better to stay invested in this ?.if really the return is 4-5% then definately i am looking to come out of it?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Lalit,

You no need to visit the branch, instead, call them and get the information. However, yes the returns will be around 4% to 5%.

Nikhil

Hi Basvaraj,

You said you will are “working on this chart and soon will upload the whole Basic Maturity Sum Assured Chart”.

Can you share the chart or excel sheet.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Nikhil,

Let me share it soon.

Sanket Jadhav

Hello Basavaraj,

My plan details are as below.

Plan : Jeevan Saral

DOC : 28/04/2010

Term : 31 Years

Premium : 16844 (Quarterly)

Sum Assured : 13,75,000

1) Can you please let me know if the SA they have mentioned is correct for a policy of 31 yr terms?

2) I wanted it to surrender after 10 year completion, so what will be the amount I’ll get assuming today’s loyalty addition rates.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sanket,

1) How can I say this without knowing your details (like date of birth and all)? Better to contact LIC branch in this regard.

2) It will be around 4% to 5% returns (It is hard for me to calculate each individual).

Sanket+Jadhav

Thank you Basavaraj. I’ll get the details from LIC branch and will share here.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sanket,

Sure.

Indro Saikia

Dear Basavaraj,

Thanks a lot for the great service to society by educating people with your informative posts.

I have a query w.r.t. my Jeevan Saral policy. Here are the details:

– Monthly premium: 4083/-

– Death benefit: 1000000/-

– Sum assured: 1450000 + Loyalty addition

– Policy term: 25 years

– Policy start: 2009 (9 years)

I have been contemplating since a long time to surrender the policy, but have been advised by agent to continue until completion of 10 years since Loyalty bonuses start getting added after that. As per details provided in your post, will I be eligible for full MSA (14.5 lacs) since I will have completed 10 years, plus the loyalty addition on the MSA? Based on this, the total value should be 14.5 lacs + 4.35 lacs(loyalty). Is this calculation correct? Can you please guide?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Indro,

If you go to surrender at 10th year, then your MSA will not be Rs.14.5 lakh. They reduce to the applicable 10 year’s MSA and based on that they will pay the LA. This is where many got cheated and this is where many got confused.

Indro Saikia

Dear Basavaraj,

Thanks for your response. Yes, I called up the LIC customer care number provided in one of the comments below, and got to know that the total amount I will get (surrender value + LA) if I happen to surrender on 10th year, will be around 6.22 Lacs, which will be a return of 1.32Lacs in 10 years (even less than what an RD at 7% would give). If I surrender now (9th year), my total surrender value will be around 3.5 lacs, which is less than 1.5 lacs of what I have invested so far. So I believe waiting another year will be more useful at this stage?

However the LIC lady also informed that over the years, this return will increase manyfold, considering many people have already surrendered the policy and ones left will surely get the benefit. Although I am not sure if that can be believed.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Indro,

It is up to you to wait and see. Regarding LIC lady claim, she is completely misguiding you.

Vinod Pandey

Dear Basavaraj, thanks for this blog & info on Jeevan Saral policy. I have done some calculation & tried to compute the returns this policy would give at different time frame & would like to share that file with you for your inputs. Please guide as to how i can share the file with you.

Regards,

Vinod

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Vinod,

Send the file to tonhokrani@gmail.com.

Sachin

Dear Sir

I have paid premium for Jeevan Saral for 8 yrs. now.

Wanted to surrender my policy ,however my LIC agent was telling me to wait for it to complete 10 yrs. to avail the loyalty bonus.

Should I wait for Loyalty Additions ,is it a good amount to wait for ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sachin, In my view, not a good idea to wait for another 2 years.

PRANOY DEY

sir my agent told me that i will get 45 lakh after 35 years in jeevan saral policy. monthly premium is 2100…. can you tell me is it possible???

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pranoy-Calculate based on above post and arrive at who is right and wrong. Usually, agents exaggerate returns to show some fancy numbers. But the returns from this policy will not cross more than 5% to 6%.

Akash

Hi,

I have taken policy in year 2007 with annual premium is 24020 for 20 years, Sum assured is 500000. I understand that at maturity time, I will get assured sum + Loyality bonus.

1. I would like to know what will be loyality bonus.

2. I have paid premium till 11 years. IS it ok to complete 20 years or shall i withdraw now. ? if i will withdraw now, what will be surrender value?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akash-At maturity, you will not receive assured sum but the MATURITY SUM ASSURED+LA. Refer to post and comments for LA assumption. You can continue this policy if you feel 5% to 6% is the best return for your 20 years of investment.

Akash

my DOB is 24-04-1985

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akash-Refer above post.

Akash

Thanks for the reply. If I understand correctly, LA will be 500000* 525/1000 after end of 11 year. That will be around 2.6 lakhs. So 2.6 + 5 . Total will be 7.6 after 11 years. Is calculation correct?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akash-Here LA will be based on MSA but not on SA.

Sagar

Akash please follow below steps and pls pls reply to contribute back to help lacs of other Jeevan Saral buyers as you are one of the unique buyer who has completed 10 years in Jeevan Saral:

Step 1:- Just call LIC customer care -02227725968..it is quite busy number but try continuously and provide you policy number they will tell you the exact surrender value.

Step2 :-Please share surrender value you get from LIC customer care and also share what surrender value is shown in the chart given to you by LIC agent at time of buying policy. This info will help lot of people. Thanks in advance Akash

Bhuvanesh Rajpurohit

Hi Akash,

Can you share information if you have already done above steps suggested by Sagar?

I have this poilicy which has completed 7 years. I am planning to continue till 10 years thinking about the LA which i will get if i complete 10 years. At-least then I will have no loss but surely very less returns. I hope my understanding is right 🙁

Thanks,

Bhuvan

RNagpal

Hi Sagar,

Please advise how much you got after surrendering.

My policy has completed 10 years now and I want to pay the premium and surrender.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Rnagpal,

It depends on many cases. You can’t assume based on what others get.

Srinivas R

Hi Basavraj, below are my policy details:

Age: 28 Yrs

Instalment Premium: ? 48,040.00(Yly)

Premium Paying Term: 32 Yrs

Policy Term: 32 Yrs

Sum Assured: ? 10,00,000

Commencement Date: 24/02/2010

Date of Maturity: 24/02/2042

Could you please help me with the Maturity Sum Assured and LA at time of Matiruty?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Srinivas-Please refer above post and also the comments.

Sunil Kumar K

Dear Basavaraj,

I have taken the following policy for my life coverage + investment.

Jeevan Saral (Plan-165) , Premium 25,382 p.m. (annual Rs. 3,09,984)

Started when I was 34 years on 04/09/2012. Policy term is 33 years. Maturity is 04/09/2045.

I may not be able to pay this huge monthly premium till its maturity date. If I surrender now how much I will get. OR should I continue this till its 10th year? I dont have a good term policy for my life cover. What should I do with the policy? Please advice.

Thanks,

Sunil

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sunil-Better to surrender. Regarding values, contact the LIC Branch.

Sunil Kumar K

Thanks Basavaraj for the quick response. Any suggestion on the replacement policy/investments after I stop my Jeevan Saral

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sunil-That depends on many things. Hard to say BLINDLY.

Sunil

Basavaraj, can I stop further premiums and wait till it reaches 10 years before surrendering?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dear Sunil,

Yes you can do so.

Devesh

I have taken Jevan Saral Policy (165) with yearly premium – 48040 rs/- on 2011-12 academic year.

Policy name Name : Jevan Saral(165)

premium : 48040 (yearly)

taken at age : 24

Maturity Sum Assured :2109640

Death Benefit Sum Assured : 1000000

Policy Term : 35

When my age will be 59 years old (If I am alive), the policy will matured and I will get 2109640 Rs. Hence, Maturity sum assured is fixed on my policy and it will be approximate 24 % of total premium I have paid.

48040 x 35 = 1681400 Rs and its 24 % will be my Maturity Sum assured.

You are telling that Maturity sum is not fixed but inmy policy it is fixed and 2109640 r s has been printed in my policy.

Please guide me if my thinking and calculations are right …….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Devesh-MSA not fixed but depends on your age, premium and term.

Devesh

Thank you for quick reply. Hence, as per above policy containing my age,premium and term, when my age will be 59 years old (If I am alive), the policy will matured and I will get 2109640 Rs. Am I right?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Devesh-You will receive the applicable MSA+LA.

Amit

I have a 5 lac policy which I have taken for 25 years in 2009. I am paying 24000 yearly premium, since last 8.5 years. I am now unable to bear the premiums and want to stop paying it. How much will I lose if I surrender the policy now, does it make sense to continue paying premiums? At this stage, will I gain more if I were to still surrender it and invest in MF SIP for example.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-If you are unable to bear the premiums then no need continue this policy. Regarding values, visit the concerned branch.

Sheldon

So I have a small doubt here.

I have 2 policies of Jeevan Saral.

1) First was taken by my father when I was 12 in the year 2009. The Death Sum Assured is 200000. The Maturity Sum Assured is 224848. There’s a monthly installment of 800 on it. They are not taking any Accident Benefit Premium from me. So anyway, after calculation, it shows me, I will get approx. 1.2Lakhs, if I mature it after 10 years. So its a profit for me as I am paying 96000 for 10 years [800*12months*10years] and receiving almost 1.2Lakh after 10 years that is in 2019. Am I correct in this calculation?

2) The second and the same policy was taken by my father for himself when he was 55 years old in the same year i.e. 2009. The Death Sum Assured is 200000 for this also. The Maturity Sum Assured is 69240. There’s a monthly installment of 817 on this one though. So we would pay Rs. 98040 for 10 years [817*12*10] and what we are getting after maturing it after 10 years is Rs. 69505 approx. So basically this is a pure loss right? We just spoke with our agent regarding surrendering the policy & he said we will get around 76K if we surrender it now which I guess is a lesser loss comparatively. So is my calculation correct? What do the people here think about it?

I highly appreciate your response. Please guide us with this.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sheldon-1) Use IRR calculation to arrive at how much PERCENTAGE will be your earning.

2) I am not sure on what basis you are assuming and calculating. Refer above post properly and calculate IRR.

Dilip Kulkarni

From my experience with Jeevan Saral policies I can say that if the policy is taken at a young age, preferably below 35 years, then only you can expect to be in the positive. Those who have taken after age of 35-40 years will be in a loss whether you wait for maturity or surrender it. I suppose you have understood the special surrender and loyalty addition clauses. Main thing in this policy is understanding the maturity sum assured concept. I am sure that most LIC agents also will not be able to answer any questions on that.

Mohit

Sir , still I am v much confused gone through the whole article , which is V nice But need your help.

I have taken this jeevan saral policy for 16 yrs and I am paying 10,208 ra monthly to LIC .

I have started this police since Oct’11 .

Sir how much will i get if i surrender this plan after 10 yrs ?

If after 16 yrs ?

If today ?

The LA which lic declares gets accumulated each year or not .suppose whatever LA lic declared for year 11 -12 and subsequent yrs will be added to my plan or not or will LA will only start after 10 yrs .

Pl help and advise

Dilip Kulkarni

Loyalty addition is only one time. At maturity or surrender after 10 years. Do you know what is the maturity sum assured? (not the death sum assured). Moreover the loyalty depends on the maturity sum assured and the sum changes every progressive year.

Dilip Kulkarni

The real problem with this policy is that probably not even one policy holder, including me, knows about the maturity sum assured and neither any agent knows or even if he knows he does not communicate with the customer. If one knows the maturity sum assured then it is easy to understand the various scenarios about the policy.

Sagar

Reposting:

just call LIC customer care -02227725968..it quite busy number but try continuously and provide you policy number they will tell you the exact surrender value.

Basavraj I believe you have to put this number in topic heading to avoid repetitive posting 🙂

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sagar-Ha ha..Sure.

Sreenivas

Now you can see the MSA in your policy schedule PDF which is available online on LIC portal. I just downloaded checked today.

deepak

Hi Shri..

I dont see that MSA in portal 🙁 ,can you guide me please where to check exactly.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepak-NO NEED TO CHECK ANYWHERE. It is written on your LIC Bond itself.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mohit-LA is one time payment and be considered based on the year in which you will close the plan and depends on the MSA of that particular year. Hence, you have to contact the branch for a better understanding of exact amount.

Ami

Thanks this is the first time I am able to get hold of the terms of the policy , it bad we were trusting and naive at the time of purchase , and the agent happens to be a distant relative.

My take 0-4 years surrender, 9+ years wait for magic 10; thanks and greetings to curator of the blog

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ami-You are now in the right direction.

Dilip Kulkarni

Age is an important factor in determining maturity sum surrendered. In my opinion those who have taken the policy below the age of 35 can expect to get some return, though not even comparable to FD, and those who have taken above age of 35-40 should not expect to get any positive return.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-It is indeed. But why one has to sacrifice for low negative real return for long term investment?

A Mohanty

Hi,

I’v2 2 Jeevan Saral Policies with combined premium of 10k per month. It’s been 5 years since I’m paying premiums and about to pay the 6th (almost 6 lacs I’ve paid already).

I realise that I’ve committed a mistake going for this. I want to surrender both the policies. But the confusion is whether I should surrender it right now or it’s better to wait for 10 years so that I can get some LA when I surrender.

Please help me calculate the surrender value now and after 10 years (considering the current loyalty bonus for 10 years). It would be a great help so that I can decide on what to do.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mohanty-Better to surrender now. Regarding values, better contact the LIC branch.

A Mohanty

Thanks a lot. From your reply, one thing I understood that there’s no point holding it for more time.

Thanks again.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mohanty-YES.

Vinay Narhari Bhagwat

Sir,I have taken Jeevan Saral Policy and completed 10 years and paid 10 premiums and last 10th Premium paid on July 2017, amount 18.015 INR

Can you please guide me ,should i surrender the policy?

Actually i want to surrender this policy

What will be approximately surrender value?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vinay-Continue if you feel the returns of around 5% to 6% is BEST. Else better to surrender.

sagar

Hello Vinay,

just call LIC customer care -02227725968..it quite busy number but try continuously and provide you policy number they will tell you the exact surrender value.

Please share surrender value you get from LIC customer care and also share what surrender value is shown in the chart given to you by LIC agent at time of buying policy. This info will help lot of people. Thanks in advance Vinay.

Thanks Basavaraj for this thread

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sagar-Thanks for sharing this 🙂

Sagar

Hello Vinay,

Highly Appreciate if you respond for below query, as you are the rare candidate who has completed 10 years with Jevan Saral…I have just completed 7 years and searching for candidate with 10 yrs completion to decide whether it make sense to wait for next 3 yrs.

Question:-

Please share surrender value you get from LIC customer care and also share what surrender value is shown in the chart given to you by LIC agent at time of buying policy. This info will help lot of people. Thanks in advance Vinay.

Umesh kokitkar

Hi, I have taken Jeevan Saral t.no 165 policy in 2013 and for 35 yrs.

Monthly pay = 3060 (12 policies 255 * 12 = 3060)

Wanted to know maturity amount after end of policy (@35 yrs completion)

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Umesh-Refer above post and below comments.

Alpesh

Hello Basavaraj ji !!

Part 1

I have taken 3 policies for Jeevan Saral

1 ) Policy 1(self)—335640(Current surrender value)—taken on 09/2009—taken on 12/2013—-Annual premium 48040—paid 7 premiums till date

2 ) Policy 2(sister)—373889(Current surrender value)—taken on 09/2009—-Annual premium 48040—paid 7 premiums till date

3 ) Policy 3(brother)—-333861(Current surrender value)—taken on 09/2009—-Annual premium 48040—paid 7 premiums till date

Policy term is 35 years.

I had asked the advisor to drew for 10 years but he drew for 35 years saying you can stop it whenever you want after 10 years.

I won’t be able to continue this policy for 35 years.

The Insurance advisor who drew this policy said you have to pay premiums till 2018 in order to get more than what you have invested.

Please guide !

Part 2

Jeevan Anand

1 ) Policy 1(self)—57540(Current surrender value)—taken on 12/2013—Annual premium 25191—paid 4 premiums till date

2 ) Policy 2(brother)—56940(Current surrender value)—taken on 12/2013—-Annual premium 24906—paid 4 premiums till date

Policy term is 21 years.

I had asked the advisor to drew for 10 years but he drew for 21 years saying you can stop it whenever you want after 10 years.

I won’t be able to continue this policy for 21 years.

The Insurance advisor who drew this policy said you have to pay premiums till 2022 in order to get more than what you have invested.

Please guide !

When shall I surrender

Part 1— Jeevan Saral policies

Part 2— Jeevan Anand policies

in order to get more than what I have invested ? So that I do not lose on the hard earned money.

Thank you in advance !

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Alpesh-You are in trap. Also, in search of getting profit from these, you pay more and more and finally end up with savings account return. You can come out from those policies which completed 3 years. No point in being ADAMANT that I not BOOK LOSS 🙂 If you close and invest wisely in future, then definitely you can compensate the same.

Dilip Kulkarni

Let us all together try to understand some things. Loyalty addition. If someone has purchased a policy of 22 years term having maturity sum assured of Rs. 10 lakhs, then will he get loyalty addition of (400 X 10,00,000)/1000 i.e. 4 lakhs on surrendering after 10 years? how many think this is correct?

What will be the special surrender value after 10 years? [(10/22) X 10,00,000] i.e. Rs. 4,54,545 plus loyalty addition. Any comments on this?

suveen

Dilip- If someone has purchased a policy of 22 years term having maturity sum assured of Rs. 10 lakhs, then will he get loyalty addition of (400 X 10,00,000)/1000 i.e. 4 lakhs on surrendering after 10 years? how many think this is correct?

In my opinion,its not correct…. Loyalty addition of 4lakh is for complete 22years and for maturity sum assured of 10Lakhs, but for 10years maturity sum is not 10lakhs. It will be somewhere around 3.2lakhs( for exact MSA u can contact customer care and get it)

Now for (320000*300)/1000 = 96000( loyalty addition for 10years)

Total is LA+MSA=96000+320000 = 416000 ( total surrender value after 10years)

Dilip Kulkarni

Can you see the following link about loyalty addition and post your comments on it.

http://insuranceblog.asia/loyalty-addition-jeevan-saral-policy-2016-17/

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-What MORE it tells?

Dilip Kulkarni

In above example MSA after 10 years is (10/22) X 10lakhs. Is this right? For loyalty addition also the same formula is applied or it is according to the table given in the link.

Dilip Kulkarni

Formula to calculate loyalty addition: (Maturity Sum Assured/1000)* Rate of Loyalty Addition as per annual premium band

Note: Maturity Sum Assured on policy bond is written according to the term you have chosen at proposal stage. It will not be used to calculate loyalty addition while surrendering the policy before term.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-This is what I too explained. In case of this plan, if policy continued for more than 5 years, then while surrendering they reduce the MSA for how long the policy continued.

suveen

Dilip – It is also same as i discussed in above comments…

For the purpose of determining the rate of loyalty addition for exits by death or surrender or maturity the duration in completed years for which premiums have been paid shall be considered.

For example 10years: you have paid so far 30025*10=300250

Now LA calculated as (300250*400)/1000 = 120100

Total = MSA for 10years( 2.8 lakhs appx) + 120100

This is my understanding, please anyone can comment if you guys have surrender policy after 10 years…

suveen

Dilip – Exact MSA u can get it from lic customer care service.

LA formula it is according to the table given in the link.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-Correct.

Ashish Kumar Roy

Dear Mr.Basuvaraj Tonagatti Sir, I am Ashish Kumar Roy from Nagpur I have a Jeevan Saral Policy (2013 table 165/20)and I am paying 72780/- per (36390+36390) as a premium which is very difficult for me to deposit. I wanted to know that after 10 yrs. of my policy if I will surrender how much amount I will get as LA as well as paid amount Kindly calculate and inform me because in that policy its a very worst policy introduce by LIC , so please help me ASAP.

Thanks

Ashish Kumar Roy

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ashish-Refer my latest LA rates “LIC Bonus Rates for 2017-18 – A complete list“. Using that LA rate, you can calculate on your own.

Dilip Kulkarni

I bought a Jeevan Saral policy in 2007 at age of 52. Policy term 18 years. Annual premium Rs. 30025. Maturity sum assured is Rs. 6,25,000. Paid 10 premiums. Want to discontinue. How much special surrender value (including loyalty additions) should I expect? will it be (10/18)X625000 plus loyalty addition?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-Contact the branch.

suveen

hello Dillip Kulkarni,

can u contact branch and post comments on how much surrender value you will get now (policy inforce for 10years)…

Yours comments will be useful for many of us because even I am waiting my policy to complete 10years. so far i paid 6 premium… when i contacted branch to surrender policy they insisted me to continue for 10years..

Dilip Kulkarni

I have paid the 10th year premium and 10 years will be completed in November. I will contact the LIC office then so that I will get a proper and correct answer. I will post on getting the information. Meanwhile if anyone else is in a similar position and can comment on the situation, they are welcome.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-Each individuals values differ and they will come to know when they actually visit the branch. Hence, better you act and share.

Sagar

No need to visit branch just call LIC customer care -02227725968..it quite busy number but try continuously and provide you policy number they will tell you the exact surrender value. Please share surrender value if anyone has completed 10 years…Share committed surrender value time of policy taken and actual you get from talking to above number. I have completed 6 years and tato wait till completion of 10 years.

Thanks in advance

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-May I know LIC officials login in insisting you continue for 10 years? It is because NO LICian will force you or suggest you to close the policy.

suveen

Basavaraj — Lic customer care guy suggested me to continue for 10years so that atleast i will get back 10years premium paid(36030*10=360300) with loyality addition. Altogether with loyal addition i will get more or less 3.6lakhs… So i am waiting for 10years…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-Ask the same guy the IRR %. If it is fetching less than the current Bank FD rate, then what is the use of such product?

Sagar

Yes but even if it gives less than bank FD rate you will loose some part of your 10-12% premium paid till date (i.e. before completing 10 YRS) so this loss of 10-12% is making me to wait till completion of 10 years. Your suggestions are welcome on my decision to wait for 10 years(7 years already completed, 3 yrs pending)

Anand

I had started the policy in 2007, with annual premium of 24020 in Jeevan saral policy. currently the surrender value revealed is about 357,315/-. Two years back it was 166,000/-

I got info from the customer zone, that new declaration happens in September. So i am thinking right now, what time to exit within this year to get best surrender value. Any inputs or thoughts?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anand-The best day is TODAY.

Anand

will i get additional LA which may be declared in September? Is there any such thing? will the surrender value vary as on today and one month later?

Since i have completed the “magical 10 year”, then with small wait, i may achieve something better.. unless there is no change at all..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anand-That magical 10 years or that surprising additional LA will not add any value to you. Rest you are free to decide.

Nikunj

Hi,

I have taken New Jeevan Anand policy in 2015 with sum assured of 2625000 and premium of 122000 annually. Return comes out 6.2% on recurring but problem is how to calculate Maturity Amount? Even LIC don’t write on website. Agent has written 70L rs after 25 years but based on LIC calculation ( Sum assured + Bonus) it comes out very less as bonus declared is 49rs. Please help if I should continue it or I will get atleast 70L+.

Please help asap !

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Nikung-Your return expectation is correct. Please refer my earlier post where I shared a video of how to calculate returns “Video tutor-How to calculate LIC policies maturity amount and returns?“.

Sagar

Hello Anand,

The surrender value of 357,315/- is matching with the chart given by LIC agent while buying the policy? If not how much is the difference? Please reply, as this will help me as I am in 8th year of this policy

Dilip Kulkarni

Sagar, whatever your decision, please post it on this forum. I think there is no harm in waiting for 10 years to complete. Not 10 premiums but 10 years total. I am also waiting for my policy to complete 10 years which is October end this year. My annual premium for 18 year policdy is Rs. 30,025. I also was given a quote of about 1,65.000/ two years ago.

Dilip Kulkarni

If you surrender before 10 years you normally get lesser than what you have paid. If you surrender after 10 years at least the loyalty bonus makes the amount what you get more than what you have paid. But if you calculate rate of return it is very low in both cases.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dilip-If you surrender it after 12th year, then it will be more than what you surrender in 9th or 10 years.

Dilip Kulkarni

I think the question was asked by Anand, not Sagar. So the answer is for Anand. Sagar’s views are also welcome

Anand

Hi,Sagar, Chart showed about 349000 for surrendering in year 2017. But after 10 years, returns are just 5-6%. So it’s not worth investment..mixing insurance and investment is not appropriate..

SaralRider

Hi Anand,

The chart showed you 349k but you your value is 357k. I think you did well. Also, to my understanding, mixing insurance and insurance is best option if you diversify your portfolio properly.

Getting 6% is not bad. Don’t forget that you have 10k deductible from your income which reduces you tax, and you get tax free money when you surrender. So, when you consider all benefits, your RoR could be 10%.

And don’t forget that it covers the risk 250 times your monthly premium.

I think, this policy is like seed of a fruit tree you plant, you will have to remain patience to bear a fruit.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

SaralRider-Getting 6% for long term investment is NOT BAD? God save you and to whom you are suggesting. LET GOD PREVAIL SOME KNOWLEDGE ON YOU.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sagar-MSA mentioned in BOND holds good if you hold the policy until maturity.

Anil Kumar

I have taken Jevan Saral Policy (165) with yearly premium – 48040 rs/- on 2011-12 academic year.

Policy name Name : Jevan Saral(165)

premium : 48040 (yearly)

taken at age : 25

Sum Assured : 1000000

Policy Term : 35

1. As of i have completed 6yrs payment and what is the maximum amount if i continue this policy for 35 years?

2. Is it recommended to continue this policy for that such longer period?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anil-1) Around 5% to 6%.

2) If you are satisfied with the return I shared in the first answer, then continue. Else, think seriously.

Anil Kumar

Thanks quick reply Basavaraj.

When i calculate got the following amount with rate of interest 5 to 6% (4,820,926.32 to 6,043,766.04) I am thinking or calculated right way?.

Do we have any other best policy in market to get more life coverage and returns?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anil-Whether your concern is buying a right and enough Life Insurance or Investment? Thumb rule is that never combine both.

Neeraj Singla

Hello Sir,

One of LIC Agents has given approx 15 policies Jeevan Saral policy to my father. Some of them are monthy,quartely and half yearly plan. Approximately we pay 60000 per year. We have have paid the premiums for these policies for 5 years. Some of these policies are on my name , my brother,my sister,my mother and fathers name. We want to surrender these policies as its difficult for us to pay the premiums. So how much surrender value we get? If we continue the policies on my father’s name would it be beneficial and how much sum assured vlaues we get after 10/15 years. Please find below details:

4 policies half yearly >> Rs1516

5 ploicies quarlety >> Rs766

7 policies yearly >> 2426

Thanks & Regards

Neeraj Singla

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Neeraj-After reading below comments, you still asking whether to continue or not? Visit the nearest branch to understand the surrender values.

Neeraj Singla

I checked with LIC office and they said we would not get full premiums.We have paid 300000 and they said we would get approx 220000 only. But as per below statement shouldn’t we get Full premium as we have paid for 5 years? Please clear this doubt.

“b) Special Surrender Value-It will be of 1+2 options given below.

1) 80% of MSA will be paid if less than 4 years premium paid, 90% of MSA if between 4 to less than 5 years of premium paid and 100% of MSA if premiums are paid for 5 years or more.”

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Neeraj-I am not said you will get full of what you paid, but I said that MSA will be reduced as per 5 years tenure and can be paid to you. MSA of 5 years will be reduced, which may be lesser than your premium paid.

Neeraj Singla

OK. Thanks alot for your advice.

Mark Sabastian

Hi Good Evening Sir,

I have seen quite a few advice from you for others and I do appreciate your time.

Need a help on the policy which I took couple of years back.

Policy name – Jeevan Saral with Profits

Table – 165

Term – 20

Maturity sum assured – 10,00,000

Premium method – Yearly

Premiums paid – 5

First premium – Dec 2012

Premium – Rs. 48,040.00

Next Premium due – Dec 2017

Policy Status – Active

The main reason for me to start this policy was to save money & avoid tax on the other hand so I spoke to an agent who said this policy should suite my needs, I specifically asked him if i need to close the policy any time will I get my money back? He answered yes however, would need to wait for 3 years.

Post 3 years when I spoke to customer service they said I would loose some money if I cancel, and advised to complete 5 years for some benefits.

Now, I have paid all 5 premiums which is 48,040*5=2,40,200 & when I checked with customer service they advised me that I wouldn’t get the complete amount. I feel like getting fooled as I am loosing my hard earned money. I think I heard saying I would get only 1,80,000 if i cancel.

Please advise is it best to cancel policy or is there any way for me to get my complete money if i extend for 10 years for loyalty benefits. If I also extend for 10 years I am afraid as i may not get 48040*10=4,80,400. Kindly advice.

Regards,

Mark Sabastian

love.sabastian@gmail.com

9886699593

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mark-Better to discontinue. You asked for SAVING and TAX BENEFITS to your agent. So he provided that option, but not an INVESTMENT OPTION. Hence, in my view agent not did anything wrong. But it is mis-buying than misselling.

Mark Sabastian

Thank you so much for your feedback, just one thing I need to ask you sir….,

If I ever continue or wait till I cover my complete tenure, is there any benefits for this policy or will I still lose my money. Please suggest.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mark-You will not lose money but end up with less returns.

Mark Sabastian

Can you tell me how much would I get if I continue for next 5 years, which is ten years in total please.

Sorry to be a pain but your inputs will make me to take decision.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mark-I can’t tell the exact figures. But returns will be around 5% to 6%.

Mark Sabastian

When you say 5 to 6 percent, is it my total premiums paid for ten years with 5 to 6 percent approx additional or am I missing some thing else?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mark-It is 5% to 6% on your total premium paid over the period of time.

Mark Sabastian

Hi Sir,

I have paid premium – 48,040.00 for 6 years which is so far 2,88,240.00

I should be able to manage for another 4 years, which would be 10 years if in total and total would come up to (48040*10) = 4,80,400.00

Hence, if I surrender post 10 years, I should except returns of 4,80,400.00 + 5 or 6 % extra.

Please correct me if I am wrong… Thanks!

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mark-It may be around 3% to 4%.

siba dalai

dear sir,

i have bought a jeevan saral policy on 22/2/2011 for a period of 20 years. firstly it was monthly plan of rs. 5104 and thereafter changed to quarterly amount of rs. 15,312. sum assured was 12,5000/- . date of birth is 26/10/1983.

sir, i am really sorry to state that being very poor in calculations, i need your expert advice. my querries are :

1. what amount will i get at the end of 20 years.

2. what amount will i get if i surrender it now ( already 5 years over)

3. should i continue here or invest it in mutual funds.

please advice. no one is helping me out. and you have been so kind in answering everyone’s doubts. the lic agent isnt helping out sincerely. thanks sir in advance.

siba dalai

sorry sir, sum assured is 12,50,000/-

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Siba-Refer above post and around 1000 comments. You will come to know the answer.

M. Saha

my premium is 3062 per quarter ( I think net premium) …. SA is 2.5 lacs ….. term is 20 years… i bought it in Dec 2010 … What would be my return after maturity in year 2030 ? can you elaborate with a chart or breakup amount.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saha-Elaborated already in above post and if you go through the comments, then you can understand the return expectation from this plan (around 5% to 6%).

Amar

I invested Rs 24020/- for 3 years till Dec 2016.Recently I have taken a term plan also for 50lakhs from LIC. I am investing in PPF also.I am very much confused whether to divert this premium amount towards ELSS fund or continue with the policy till 11 years or 25 years.My policy term is 25 years.The maturity sum assured is around Rs7.5 lakhs in policy bond.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amar-What prompted you to buy this product and why you now feeling this to close?

Amar

Actually I was not so investment conscious about my investment portfolio at that time as i was not coming in any tax bracket.Now, I am in 20 % tax bracket.At that time I was not aware of Term plan and also was not comfortable in investing any Private Companies.I used to deposit in only PPF. At that time I was feeling i am short of Insurance and hence bought this policy without keeping any perspective in mind that I am taking this policy for Investment or Insurance.Now , when I am trying to take advise from others.Some are advising me to surrender and some say the policy is good you should continue for at least 10 years. I am 34 now and dont want to take any wrong step related to investment and insurance and ruin my later years. I request you to kindly advise whether to continue investing in this policy or discontinue.I really dont mind investing also if I am supposed to get better returns.As, today I feel I am adequately insured as far as Insurance is concerned in comparison to my annual package as I am having another Limited endowment policy of 2 lakhs also from LIC and also insured by my employer for approx 15-18 lakhs.I will be taking your advise as the final call for this policy as I dont wont to linger on with this policy as I have already invested 1.5 lakhs for my Income tax rebate by investing in PPF, PF , LIC(Limited endowment plan) and LIC e term( Cover of 50 lakhs). I have tried enquiring from lot of people related to its return part also. No one is able to give a clear picture in this regard also.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amar-If you have adequate insurance then why you retaining this dummy product? It is your money. Therefore you judge which BEST to you. Hence, never rely on anyone nor listen to those who suggest you based on their opportunity in your investment (agents). Act fastly and close all such dummy products.

Amar

One last question. Should I see this product on investment perspective or Insurance, In case on Investment then what rough percentage can be expected on this product.As this product is giving me only 5 lakh on insurance front and 10 lakh on accidental.

As I have an option of diverting his fund towards NPS and claim 2 lakh of income tax rebate instead of 1.5 lakh in coming financial year.

Incase I am closing this product this year I will booking loss of around 30000/- which I dont mind if I get returns by investing in long term.

Thanking you in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amar-For 10 years of investment and return 5% to 6% enough for you? Is so, then continue. If you consider this product as insurance, then think how long your dependents survive with the death claim amount they receive from this product.

Amar

Thanks a ton for your advise.Will be applying for surrendering in this scenario.

Wayne

You should seek investments in mutual funds through SIP for wealth generation and buy term insurance for pure insurance need.

Kevi

I have a Jeevan Tarang plan of 10 years policy term. I want to surrender this policy on the 9th year after paying 36 premiums (quarterly payment mode). What is the formula to surrender? I want to know how much I will get.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kevi-Check with LIC branch.

Sachin

Hey mate, you have been doing a fabulous job of explaining the intricacies of the Saral Policy. I have been hurt the same with almost paying through the roof per year premium paying in saral. The LIC and their agents just care about their bottom line. They gave wrong charts and return values when they were getting people onto buying their policy. Why can’t they be put behind bar for wrong selling of policies with wrong information.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-Sadly none come forward and prove that they wrongly sold.

shankar baghele

Dear Sir, I was opened policy jeevan saral 165 plan 22 year in sept-2013 , 25473/- Half yearly. at that time misguide & show me higher return by LIC agent & open this policy. Now I want to surrender this policy after 4 year.

My query is the following question?

1) If continue this policy to full maturity (22year), what is amount I will get?

2) If I surrender this policy after 4 year than how much amount I will get?

3) Can I rest policy after 4 year without pay premium till maturity & after maturity how much I can get.

I want higher return but with this policy I cant get.

please give me proper calculation & suggestion.

Regards

Shankar baghele

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shankar-I already replied all such queries in below comments. Please go through them.

LICBuyer

Hi Basavaraj,

I have a query regarding my LIC Jeeval Saral Policy Table no 165. Bought this policy on 28/12/2009 (misguided with the chart which agent showed me) at age 26 Policy term -30 years Premium -72780 yearly (approx 6000 per month) Death Benefit Sum Assured 15Lac. I have already paid for 7 years : approx 5 Lacs. I have also taken loan on this policy last year (May 2015) Loan amount 285000. I have made up my mind to surrender this policy as policy is not good and I am unable to pay premium. Question is should I surrender right now or should i wait for the completion of 10 years for this policy

1. I want to know if it is good idea to hold this policy for 10 years completion (until Dec 2019) so that I get Loyalty addition.

2. What amount I can expect to get in return from this policy after 10 years completion

3. How loan will be handled in this case. Will LIC deduct Loan and interest at the time of surrender. I found that they have already charged 30K interest for 6 months on loan amount of 2,85,000 which is very disappointing. This interest will be charged every six months. I am confused if it is good idea to hold until Dec2019(as holding also means more interest on associated policy loan). But even if I surrender now, I have huge loss.

Really need an advice. Please help!

Basavaraj Tonagatti

LICBuyer-1) You can surrender now also.

2) Check with LIC.

3) Yes, they deduct all outstanding loan and interest on that before paying you the surrender value.

LICBuyer

Thanks for your prompt response. Regarding surrender or holding for 10 year(to get LA) which one will better suit me. What approx LA LIC usually provides?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

LICBuyer-I prefer surrender over holding. Check with LIC for LA rates.

LICBuyer

Thanks you. you are going a good work in helping people. Genuine advice. Appreciate your efforts!

sachin

Hello,

i have take jeevan saral policy in november 2009, paying premiun of Rs 48040/- yearly.

Clearly understood that the chart agent showed is misguiding.

Currently i have invested 336000 in total whose surrender value is 316000 right now.

What will be the better option—

1) book loss of 20000 and surrender immediately

2) stop paying premiums and keep the policy active for 3 more years and redeem after completing 10 years of policy so that i am eligible for LA/bonus.

3) pay premiums for 3 more years and then surrender the policy after completing 10 years of policy to avail LA/bonus.

In any case if i surrender i am planning to buy jeevan anand policy for approximate same amount for a period of approximate 30 years.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-First one.

sachin

Thank you ver much.

Can u guide me the base for booking loss ?

sachin

i mean why did you suggest me to book loss and surrender it..

In case if i reciveLA of rs250 for every 1000, i can get 120000 as LA along with 480000 (total of premium paid)

Sachin

Sorry I have paid 386000 and current surrender value is 316000…so lot of loss..

And I have 3 such policies–mine,sisters n cousins..so lot of loss–a total of 2.1lakhs..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-Your loss will be more when you extend. You can compensate the current loss by wisely investing.

Sreenivas

You can cover the loss by investing in mutual funds for long term like 15-20 years.

Ranjan

Hello,

I have taken jeevan saral plan dec 2011. and i wand u surrender now. But LIC Agent is saying that.

25000*10 = 250000

Your balance Amount is 250000-85000 = 165000rs

Thanks & Regs.

Ranjan

9999818188

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ranjan-Don’t believe agents. Go to LIC branch and enquire.

Vaibhav

Sir,

I have completed 6 years of Jeevan saral 20 yr term plan paying of Rs.6406/- quarterly (i.e. approx Rs. 1,53,744/- till date) as an installment. I want to surrender this policy due to some financial problem, so I visited to Lic office and I took surrender value statement. Surrender value is of Rs.1,24,000/- ( approx loss of Rs.30,000/- ) I don’t know how they calculated surrender value but it’s really shocking to loss of Rs 30 k. now what should I do?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vaibhav-It is the reality. Either surrender or continue.

GAURAV

I have taken Jeevan saral policy for 20 years in Feb 2011, yearly premium is 12k, need your help in below queries-

1.)If i want to surrender policy after 10 years i.e in 2021 then will i be eligible for loyalty additions as total tenure is 20 years?

2.)Is LIC declares Loyalty additions every year for Jeevan saral?

3.)I bought this policy in Delhi now i moved to Bangalore can i surrender the policy in Bangalore LIC office, If yes what is the process for the same?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Gaurav-1) Yes LA will be payable but based on 10 years but not on 20 years.

2) As of now YES. Not sure about future.

3) NO.

Deepak Shukla

Hello Dear,

Under jeevan saral Im paying 6125 INR as monthly premium. At the age 24 I took this plan. Policy term period is 25 years. Agents show very high figh amount in their chart as maturity. But as i received my policy it is showing maturity sum assured approx 20-21 lacs which is very low as compared to agent. I took this plan on 15/10/2012. Kindly help me out what i will get exactly as maturity amount.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepak-You will receive Maturity Sum assured and Loyalty Addition. Read the above post fully and below comments. You will get an idea.

Rajib Layek

I think the LA will be not given as it is applicable only after 10 years. So if someone continue for 11 years then he will get the LA for last one year not for whole 11 years !!

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajib-LA is one time payment not for all 10 years or 11 years.

Rajib Layek

Yes. I understood. Thanks for confirming !!

Ashok Kumar Singh

I purchased Jeeven Saral Policy at the age of 32. I have completed the 6 year of premium. Yearly premium is comes 24500. Agent assured me at the time of purchasing the policy that I get more than 10 Lakhs on the maturity of policy after completion of 16 year. Now it is come to my knowledge through some other agents and friends that the chart shown under this policy is fraud.

Will I continue with this policy or not .What is surrender value of this policy at this time. If I continue, will I get the value actually shown in the chart after 16 years? This question has become more relevant as the policy purchased for meet the expenditure at the time of my daughter weeding.

If I surrender the policy, Can you suggest me some other policy or investment plant to meet expenditure mention above. Now my age is 39.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ashok-Better to surrender. For surrender value check with LIC branch. You firmly believe that it is a fraud selling. But asking me whether continue or not. The decision is YOUR’s. Without knowing much about you, how can I blindly guide you about investment?

Ashok Kumar Singh

Thanks for your valuable advise. I am going to surrender this policy. Can you suggest me some other investment option. Am i go with SIP, if yes please suggest some plans.

Thanks for your reply.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ashok-Without knowing much about you, how can I guide the investments?

prakash ghuge

sir i want to surrender my policy

please guide

policy start 28/03/2011

age when started 27 years

monthly preimium 5014

sir pl tell what amout will get me

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prakash-Check with your nearest LIC branch.

prakash ghuge

sir what is better option whether i wiil continue the policy or surrender

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prakash-Better to surrender.

prakash ghuge

Thank u sir

Sheetal Bhat

Hi Basavaraj ji,

I have query regarding my LIC Jeevan Saral policy where i completed 7 years with yearly premium of 36030. When i took this policy he showed a T165 chart and assured that i will take 6.5 lacks after completing 10 years.

when i enrolled my age was 23 and now i am 30 years of age.

Need your kind and valuable advice what shall i do, because what i understood that i may not get assured amount as per chart. Is this total fraud ? please advice as i am really worried.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sheetal-He misguided you and it is not assured return. You may expect around 5% to 6% returns. Better to close the policy at the earliest.

Joy Mukherjee

Dear Basavaraj,

I have two JEEVAN SARAL policy.

DOB: 30-04-1986

Policy taken – 2011 February,

Yearly premium=Rs.18000/-(for 30 yrs term) and Rs.6000/-(for 25 yrs term)

Please tell me the amount if I surrender the policy after 10 years completion. Thanks in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Joy-Refer below comments. You will find the answer.

suveen

Hello Basavaraj Sir,

i planned for Jeevan saral of Rs750000 with annual premium of 36030.

My agent told me i would be getting around 25lakhs after 20 years, i dont know exact MSA or LA.Even though he has given one pamphlet explaining premium & maturity.

Premium – 36030 Rs yearly

term of policy – 20 years

my age 23 years

so pls let me know the actual return after maturity…

2) i have completed 5years, what amount ll i get if i surrender after 5 years..

pls help me out

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-You planned or already bought? If you planned, then you can’t. Because this plan is not available now.

suveen

Sir,

I already bought this policy… I have completed 5 years also…. what amount I ‘ll get if I surrender now?

What ‘ll be my maturity amount if I complete full 20years.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-Contact your LIC branch or refer the below comments.

suveen

Basavaraj sir,

1)I have already bought this policy, completed 5 years also..

Premium – 36030 Rs yearly

term of policy – 20 years

my age at time of enrollment – 23 years

so pls let me know the actual return after maturity…

2) what amount will i get if i surrender now( 5 years completed)?

Pls help me out

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Suveen-Regarding exact amount, contact your LIC branch. Returns may be around 4% to 5%.

RAMACHANDRAN.A

respected

tax saving instrument was top savings PPF,NSC, FD, ULIPs,ELSS,. The explain with total returs to 3 0r 5 years pls send

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramachandran-I am unable to understand your requirement.

Shakti Prasad

Hello,

Please help me on my query as it holds important due to my current financial crunch situation.

I took the ‘LIC Jeevan Saral’ plan started in 2010 for 15 yrs with yearly premium as 25000/. I have already paid for 5 premium terms till 2014 for a sum of nearly 1,25,000/-. But due to i lost my job in 2015 i couldn’t able to pay premium from 2015 & 16. So as i can’t continue this plan due to my bad financial cond. so i want to surrender my policy now after 7 years. So what would be the payout amount to me if i surrender now. I see the current status showing in LIC portal as: “Reduced pay-out.’ Also let me know if i want to pay premium of last year & this year would i asked to pay any penalty?

So kindly update me on my above query. Thnx in advance for your support.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shakti-Please contact your nearest branch for the same. Yes, if want to continue the plan, then you have to pay the penalty.

Shakti

Hi Basa,

Thanks for giving quick update. But as i am staying outside of state current for a job search so can’t make to home now.

Its been 6.2 yrs now from the commencement of policy so can you please anticipate what’s the surrender amount i would get where i have paid 1,20000/- for 5 years,i expect to get at par with my total paid premium or little higher from that but not sure. I believe as a financial analyst you can give me at par update if not concrete. Please update me here.

Regards,

Shakti

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shakti-You refer above post and below comments. You will get an idea of how to calculate on your OWN. You no need to be in same state to know the status. Visit nearby LIC branch and get the status.

Angel

Bad blog. You don’t answer straight questions

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Angel-Yes, because money is not easy thing.

Sandip G

Dear Mr.Basavaraj,

I have taken Jeevan Anand in Feb 2012 with half yearly premium of 52300 approx for 25 yrs with sum assured of 25L at the age of 32yrs.

But after your reviews and lots of search I found that it is better to go for term insurance and balance with other investment as this policy will give max to 6%.

Can you suggest is it better to leave/surrender with Jeevan anand.

Also can you suggest where should I invest the balance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sandip-It is better to surrender. But investing the rest of amount depends on your financial goals, which I can’t say plainly.

Saurabh Negi

Hellow Basavaraj,

thanks for such an informative post regarding LIC Jeevan Saral Policy. I am myself struggling to get the clearer picture regarding the Maturity Amount. I purchased this policy @ 24yrs , Single Premium 48040 INR, 5 yrs completed. My policy paper mentions MSA : 1159520 INR (along with Death benifit & Term Rider sumof 10 Lakh each) but in my policy premium receipt its showing MSA = 10Lakh while that confusing chart showing somewhere around 54 Lakh. I think all of us are having this same confusion. I will b happy if i am getting 5-7% interest overall at the end of policy, if not please suggest if i should stop paying further and get whatever i can get back.

Regards

Saurabh negi

itssaurabh.negi@gmail.com

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saurabh-If you have doubt about MSA, then contact the branch.

pinkal mahajan

hi my name is pinkal mahajan i am 29 years of age i got this policy at the age of 24. i have been paying 72000rs per year can you please tekk me how much i will get after 35 years. on the chart(165) it says some 22000000rs. but when i contact branch they say something else. please clarify this.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pinkar-Refer my above post and below comments. You will not get more than 5% return. Rest is left with you to decide.

Chhavi Sinha

Hi Basavaraj,

I had taken Jeevan Saral in June 2011 with a monthly premium of Rs 6123/-, which means i am putting Rs 73476 in a year in my Jeevan Saral account. my policy will be completing 5 years by June 2016 and i was thinking weather to continue with it or not because people were telling me that i am paying a very high premium and the returns are not as expected and it is better off to put the money into PPF account where i can have better returns.

so there can be few options that i was thinking about and i am confused:

1. to close the policy after 5 years, could you please tell me what is the amount that i should be getting ?

2. secondly , since its a flexible policy i thought of reducing the Premium amount to Rs 1000 or 1500 per month.

3. surrender policy after 10 years and continue to pay what i am paying at the moment.

i am 42 year old and need to have good investment. let me know what you say.

Regards

Chhavi

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Chhavi-1) Contact LIC branch. 2) What is use? 3) It is of no use.

Raja S

My policy was started on March 2013 and have paid till May 2015 without interruption. Its jeevan saral with DAB – Premium monthly 3062.. Almost i had paid the premium for 2 years 3 months.. 9 months i did not pay the premium as per schedule. Almost 3 years completed now.. Now the policy status is lapsed without surrender value. Can i withdraw my amount now?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raja-No, you can’t withdraw. If you want to withdraw, then you must clear the pending premiums.

Ashish Kumar

Hi Mr. Basavaraj,

I have completed 5 years of Jeevan saral paying Rs.5104 monthly (i.e. approx Rs. 3,00,000.00 till date) as an installment. I want to surrender this policy due to some financial problem, how much amount would I get as the lic website is showing after completion of 5 years if they surrender they will get 100% of the Maturity Sum Assured. So in that case would I get approx 3,00,000.00.

Thanks

Ashish

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ashish-Contact the branch for the same. MSA will be reduced to 5 years MSA.

Mohsin

Hello Sir…

I have just completed 5 years of jeevan saral policy.

So far I have paid about 1,53,000 RS for 9 jeevan saral policies (Courtesy LIC agent wrong input) which has different maturity dates but started at the same time in May 2011.

My age is 26 years when the investment started.

Now, I want to surrender all the policies. Can I expect to get the money which I have paid ?

I understand that visiting LIC office would be helpful but I am not in a position to visit office….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mohsin-I think you get.

Harsha R

Hi Mr. Basavaraj,

I have completed 5 years of Jeevan saral paying 9187 Rs quarterly. If i surrender now ,will be losing the premiums paid in the 1st year according to LIC people. There is an option called partial surrender. Can you please throw some light on that.

Thanks

Harsha

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Harsha-why you want to surrender?

Harsha R

Dear Basavraj,

1. Would like to liquidate this amount

2. Will be short of money due to some other financial commitments, so will be difficult to pay premiums of this amount.

Thanks in advance

Thanks in advance

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Harsha-In that case better to surrender it.

DEBARGHA GANGULY

Hi sir,

I have Jeevan Saral policy policy no #578448787 enrolled in 2011. I want to surrender the plan since I have completed 5 years.The maturity was in 2029 and MSA = 500000/- only.You have stated that surrendering after 5 years will fetch 100% of MSA value. So am I supposed to get 5lac or (500000/14)*5 = 1.78 lacs? I paid 2042 as monthly premium for 5 years so total premimum would be around 1lac 20k.Can you please tell me teh expected range of the surrender value that I am expected to get.

Thanks,

Debargha

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Debargha-Your MSA will be re-adjusted to 5 years of Jeevan Saral. Based on that they pay. Check with nearest LIC office.

k v raghu kumar

sir this is k v Raghu kumar i bought jeevan saral 165 plan in 2009 February,qtly premium 4250. i was paid until 2015 Feb premium. After that i was not paid till now, i have taken loan also amt RS 210000,AND interest RS21000 If i continue this policy i have to pay premiums amount+loan amount+interest.so now i am not able to pay this amount right now , and I asked to LIC officers if I surround the policy how much amount will i get, they told me approximately 26000 plus or minus, up to Feb 2015 i was paid Rs 306250,if surround this policy i will get loss the amount rs 30000 to 40000, what can i do please give your suggestion, now i am not ready to pay premiums and loan amount and intrests

Regards

k v raghu kumar

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raghu-If you are not ready to pay the interest, loan amount and premium, then better to surrender it.

prince kumar

Sir I have jeevan anand policy sum assured of 200000. my EMI is 7668 half early for 15 year, how can I get total maturity amount after 15 year. sir plz advice me.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prince-The returns will be around 5% to 6%.

Avinash Kedia

Dear Sir,

I wanted to know one thing that for jeevan saral it is preferred to surrender after 5 yrs if taken.

I pay premium yearly can you please tell 5 yrs will be considered completed after paying 5 premiums or after paying 5 premiums and completing 60 months as well.

Regards

Avinash Kedia

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Avinash-After completion of 5th year i.e beginning of 6th year.

Chellani

Dear Mr Tonagatti,

In one of the post (dated 22 Jan 2016) you have mentioned that LA would be 500 – 600, based on current trend.

Could you please elaborate?

Regards

Ramakrishna

Hi Basavaraj Tonagatti,

I took Jeevan saral Plan for 25 years with SA: 5,00,000 and Yearly Premium as 24.020 on 17/09/2013.

Till date i have paid three premium’s. After reading this blog, i realised that i had invested in a wrong plan.

So, please suggest me whether i should surrender this plan now or shall i pay two more premiums?? (to complete 5 years)

How much amount will i get if i surrender the plan now?

How much amount will i get if i surrender the plan after completing five years??

Thanks for your help inadvance..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramakrishna-Better to surrender after 5 years.

Chandru

Please explain.

Why should we surrender for 5 years.

Why not in 3 years.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Chandru-In this policy, if you surrender after 5 years then it is considered as 5 years policy but not the term you opted earlier. This is the uniqueness. Hence, instead of 3 years, it is best to surrender at 5th year.

Sriraj

Hi Basu,

I have purchased Jeevan Saral in 2010. I’m paying half yearly premium of 15466 INR. My MSA is 1336367 INR. Now the policy is in affect for 6 years. I understand that Jeevan Saral has a SSV for >5 years, which is to pay out 100% of MSA . This MSA is calculated for the time frame for which the policy has been in affect i.e 6 years in my case. I also understand that in case of Jeevan Saral, LA starts from 10th Year onwards. Now I have couple of queries:-

1. If I surrender the Policy on 10th Year completion, would the returns be as calculated below ?

> MSA for 10 year period = 1336367 * 10/35

> LA for 10th year for premium range between 20,000 – 50,000 INR – 375 * MSA for 10 years/1000 = 375 * 1336376 * 10/35 * 1/1000

> Since Policy in affect for > 5 years. As per SSV, MSA Paid out = 100%

> Returns on surrender on 10th Year = MSA + LA

= ( 1336367 * 10/35 ) + ( 375 * 1336367 * 10/35 * 1/1000 )

2. If I opt to not pay any future premiums ( Policy lapsed ), what would be my returns at the end of policy term of 35 years ?

3. What would you recommend, should I hold the policy for its term or should I surrender it right away ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sriraj-How you can say that the MSA will be 10/35th of your Rs.13,36,367? You have to check your age while buying policy, premium you paid and arrive at MSA.

Sriraj

Hi Basavaraj,

Could you please me understand what would be the surrender value of this Policy on its 10th year completion ?. I need to know the below details actually:

1. MSA on surrender

2. Loyalty Addition on surrender ( I know this is not yet declared. Will be declared on 2019 for 2010 policies. But based on the Loyality declared for the last 3 years, Can I assume it to be 375 INR per 1000 MSA ? )

3. Total Surrender Value = MSA on surrender ( MSA calculated for 10 years ) + Loyalty Addition

My next premium payment date is on June 2016. If I have to exit from this Bad investment, I have to do it now. If you can guide on the above and answer my above queries related to calculation, it will be really helpful.

Thanks a million for your help :).

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sriraj-1) MSA on surrender will be known to you once you visit LIC for surrender.

2) You can. But clear picture or shocking picture emerge when you know the actual surrender of this policy.

3) Yes.

First go ahead and surrender it.

Rishiraj

Sir I have purchased the jeevan saral policy with half yearly premium INR 3032 in may 2009. I want to surrender this policy due to some reason. Pls tell me about surrender value. Is it more beneficial to close after 10 yrs?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rishiraj-Contact LIC branch.

Sriraj

Hi Basavaraj,

My Age at purchase is 24.

Premium paid per year = 15466 * 2 = ~31000 INR

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sriraj-Then calculate the MSA based on that.

Vimal Gohil

Hi, Basavaraj

I have purchased the LIC Jeevan Saral in May 2010 through LIC agent. Now 5 years are completed for same. Since that agent had made a purchase of policy for 35 years term, can I close or surrender this policy now ? And, what could be process to do the same.

Let me know so that I can plan for better. Also, I would like to invest for long term in some SIP fashion. What could be the better option ? is it something similar to Tax saving MF.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vimal-You can close the policy now. For surrender, you have to visit the servicing LIC branch with you original bond and KYC documents. They help you. You refer my earlier post “Top 10 Best SIP Mutual Funds to invest in India in 2016” and “Top 5 Best ELSS or Tax Saving Mutual Funds to invest in 2016“.

Vimal Gohil

KYC is mandatory ? actually, I think I didn’t filled it up. Only bond can work ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vimal-Yes, KYC in the sense mainly your bank details to transfer the amount through NEFT.

Anil

Hi I have invested 36000 in jeevan saral and 6 years are completed.. Could you advise how much I will get as Lic says I will get 29000rs.and also advise do I need to continue the policy or surrender it….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anil-Please read the below around 900 comments patiently. You will get my answer. Because it is repeated many times of what you are asking.

krunal patni

Please I want to know I purchase lics jeevan saral policy for 30 years of 1000 monthly premium on 27 age so what will be return i will get at maturity of policy

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Krunal-This plan is already closed. You can’t purchase it.

Hemanth

Hi Basu, I was calculating MSA, LA and total amount I might receive.

I have jeeval saral policy which I took at the age of 25, half yearly 6065. Sum assured 250000.

Per my calculations.

MSA: 195310.

LA : (195310 * 250*5)/1000 (*5 because I presume from 10th year with 250 there is gradual increase of 50. So, I rounded it off to 250 for all 5 years from 10th to 15th making it 5 times) = 244137

Total amount is 439447.

Am I correct in calculating the LA? And is the total amount correct?

Hemanth

Btw, This is for 15 years plan.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Hemanth-No, I don’t think LA will be that high (considering the current trend). I presume around Rs.500 to Rs.600 for 10 years term.

Hemanth

Thanks for reply.

If we consider the amount to be 500.

LA calculations for Jeevan Saral would be as below:

LA = (MSA *500)/1000 = (195310*500)/1000 = 97655.

Total Amount would then become = 195310+LA = 292965.

Is this correct or am I still missing anything for LA calculations?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Hemanth-It’s correct. Now calculate the return using my latest post “Video tutor-How to calculate LIC policies maturity amount and returns?“.

Satish

Dear Sir,

Kindly advise, I took Jeevan saral policy plan 165 in 2011 at the age of 28 yrs.

premium of Rs 6125 quarterly.

tenure 15 years

i have paid premium of 4 years till date if i surrender policy now i am getting around Rs 70,000 (with loss of 30000 & 4 years)

what you will suggest should i continue or surrender policy? what would be the surrender value after paying 5 years premium?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Satish-Better to surrender after a year (completion of 5th year). You contact LIC branch regarding the exact values of surrender.

Satish

Many thanks Basavaraj.

Yogesh Koshti

I have taken Jeevan Saral Policy 4 yaers packa and my monthy sip is Rs 5000 i.e rs 1000 x 5 poiclies. Let me know wheather its is advisabke to continue this policy, are there sufficent returns as ther sis market rumours that Jeevan saral should not continued as there is case beteween LIC nad IRDA goint on for and less chances of getting assured rtuerns . Please suggest

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Yogesh-Jeevan Saral is already a closed plan. Also, in my view, there is no such case between LIC and IRDA. Regarding your investment, better to close once you complete 5 years.

PP

I surrendered my Jeevan Saral policy after paying 5 premiums and completing 5 years.

My Sum Assured was 12,62,500. Thus, the monthly premium was 12,62,500 / 250 = 5,050. Yearly premium was 5,050 * 12 = 60,600 minus 2% discount on annual payment = 59,387.50.

According to LIC’s table (I think no. 165), for someone who was 30 years at the time of buying the policy and paid 5 premiums, the “factor” for calculating Maturity Surrender Value (MSA) for the 5th year was 4,726 per Rs 100 of monthly premium.

Thus, the surrender value was calculated as 5,050 * 4,726 / 100 = 238,663. There would have been a reduction of 3-5 thousand rupees from this if the surrender had happened before completing 5 years.

The Rate of Return on the policy was -7.2%. If I had continued with the policy believing that I’ll get BIG loyalty bonuses, the rate of return would not have been more than 5%, typical with any other LIC policy.

LIC sucks! They have been duping common public for decades, using poor man’s hard earned money for free, making themselves and their agents rich, and returning peanuts to their customers provided they keep paying premium for ages. It’s a pity that majority in this country do not understand RoR and CAGR, which should be the first thing they should teach in schools.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

PP-It is heartening to hear your story. Hope others understand the reality.

Sanjay

Hello Sir,

Today I went to LIC office and asked about the policy surrender procedure. My policy start of date is 09/2009 and date of maturity is 09/2029. I am paying Rs.2300 every 3 months as premium. When I spoke to the LIC officer they asked me why you are surrendering the policy, you have paid premium regularly for 6 years and now why are you surrendering. They asked to to get loan on the policy. Finally they told till date I have paid premium of Rs.59000 and if I surrender I will be getting only Rs.48000. Then I asked her its mentioned in the policy document like special surrender value will be 100% of MSA if premiums are paid for 5 years or more. They said there is nothing like that and there will be Rs.11000 loss for you. Hearing this I am very clear that they are not even promising what is return on the policy document and I am not sure what amount I will be getting in my hand at the end of the policy completion. I am going to fill the form and going to submit the forms for surrender.

You are really doing a great job here. Thanks for your advice and educating everyone.

Kuntal

Hi Basavaraj,

I must say your online platform provides the best information on LIC policies and especially Jivan Saral policy. Thanks for sharing such valuable information on such important investment topics.

I had purchased Jivan Saral policy 8 years ago when I was aged 30 years. My annual premium is Rs. 60k. I have taken this policy for a period of 35 years. After reading your comments here, I am assuming that this investment will not yield me more than 6-7% returns over a 35 year long period. This is very low compared to the time and the money I am putting in.

I would like to get your advise on whether I should surrender this policy now or wait for the completion of 10 years so that I get some LA.

Your advise will be highly appreciated!

Rgds,

Kuntal

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kuntal-No great benefit in waiting. Hence, better to act and surrender.

Anup Banerjee

Hi,

I have a Jeevan Saral Policy (Table 165) taken in 2012 and will mature in 2037. The sum assured is Rs/-1250000. I pay yearly premium of Rs/-60050. I have paid four premiums so far. My question to you – If I surrender this policy after 5 years, then as per information shared by you in this blog, I will get 100% of the premium amount paid i.e. 3 lacs. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, If I wish to continue with this policy till end than what would be the total amount I get? Any other suggestion regarding this [policy would be really helpful.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anup-It is slightly positive or negative at 5th year. If you continue this policy till end, then the return will be around 4% to 5%.

Tejaswini Kunte

Hello Sir,

I bought LIC Jeevan Saral policy on 7th jan 2010 at the age of 25. I am paying 18015 as yearly premium, policy term is 25 and death sum assured is 375000.

I have paid premium till jan 2014 ie for 5 years .

Please advise, should I go for 25 term or surrender the policy now or pay premium for 10 years and then surrender my policy.

what will be my surrender value after 10 years and now and maturity value after 25 years

Thanks in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Tejaswini-I think we discussed the same in our Facebook chat.

jyoti

Dear Sir,

Kindly advise, I took Jeevan saral policy plan 165 in 2011 at the age of 24 yrs.

premium of 29000 half yearly

tenure 15 years

i have paid premium of 4 years till date if i surrender policy now i am getting around 175000 (with loss of 57000 & 4 years)

what you will suggest should i continue or surrender policy? what would be the surrender value after paying 5 years premium?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Jyoti-Better to surrender after 5 years. Regarding values, contact LIC branch.

Anuj Agrawal

I started LIC Jeevan Saral Policy 3 years before for a yearly premium of INR 24020.

1. What will be the actual total amount i will receive as per today’s calculation after 35 years? Policy Started at age 26.

2. How can i get out of this Policy immediately or what will be the best time and what will be the charges deducted for same?

Thanks a lot for all your help & valuable information.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anuj-Your both doubts are already answered in below comments many times. Please go through them.

Anuj Agrawal

Can you please let me the formula to calculate it? So that i put the values in and calculate expected outcome from this Policy…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anuj-You can use the compound interest formula. You search in Google and found many online sites.

Anuj Agrawal

Thanks Basavaraj for all your help and replies. i got clarification for my 2nd doubt regarding surrender value. Can you please clarify my first doubt by giving me a rough figure (What will be the actual total amount after 35 years – Policy Started at age 26 & Annual Premium 24,020.), it will be appreciated. Sorry to bugging you again and again.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anuj-Considering the current LA trend, the return may be around 5% to 6%. Not more than that. It’s alright and never think by commenting.

Anuj Agrawal

Hi Basavaraj,

I am weak in calculating these percentages & opt in for this Policy 🙁 …. that’s why i am asking you that what will the FIGURE (appox.) after calculating? Thanks a ton again.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anuj-Basic Maths is enough to do the calculation. If you still have confusion, then please go through the below comments. You notice my calculation and answers.

Amit

Sir, what is the income tax implication on surrender value after 5 premium terms?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-Please read my earlier post “Tax Benefits of Life Insurance“.

Amit

Thank sir for your kind reply! Is the surrender value received (after paying more than 2 premium terms for traditional policies), required to mention in our ITR of the respective year?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-Read my post about taxation once again.

Abhi

Hi,

Need your expertise here. I’ve paid 5 premiums till date for Jeevan Saral (24020*5) for a measly 5 lacs sum assured (No riders).

The 6th Premium date is approaching in Jan 2016. What would you advise for this plan – Should one:

1. Just stop paying premiums (Make it Paid up) and wait another 10 years for the money

2. Surrender the Policy immediately and collect whatever is left of it

3. Continue with the policy for another 5 premium terms to look at Loyalty Bonus etc

4. Any other advise on this policy?

Do respond! Thx

Rgds

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhi-Surrender now itself.

vrushali

Dear Basavaraj Tonagatti,

Thanks for your detailed explanation of this policy. I am in dilemma now & appreciate if you help me to solve this.

My DOB is -1989,

JEEVAN SARAL Plan details are as follows:

Policy Date: June-2012,

Half yearly premium=18195, TABLE=165, TERM=35 yrs

As I have completed 3 yrs. of my policy. I went to LICBranch to get surrender amount and Surrender value is Rs 61632/-. But till date I have paid total premium 109170/-. And Now if I surrender then I will be in Loss of Rs 47000 Approx.

Please suggest me on following option

1) Should I exit at this stage of 3 yrs & take 47K loss. Invest that 61k money in my home loan which will at least reduce my interest component.

2) As in above post you suggested that exit from this plan after 5yr.

If I surrender this policy after 5yr

a) Will I get complete premium back. At least (181950) my 5 yrs paid premium .

b) Or after 5 yr also I have to bear some loss. (May be you have some rough idea on this)

Your suggestion will help me to take further decision.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vrushali-You may not get the full amount of what you paid in case you surrender after 5 years. But the loss will be minor compare to today’s surrender. Hence, I suggest to surrender after 5 years.

Sam

Hi Sir,

I have taken Jeevan Saral policy in 2011 for 16 years with a premium 48040/Year.

My age was 31 years when i enrolled for it, agent has given bond of worth 10 Lac.

It would be great if you explain or guide me where to invest

Please let me know what would be my meturity amount after 16 years?

What is SA for my policy?

How much LA I can get after 10 & during 16th year?

Shall i continue with the policy?

With Regards,

Sam

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sam-Your all doubts are explained in above post and below comments. Please go through them.

unmesh bagwe

Hi Basu,

I am a regular visitor of your site and find your blog very helpful.

my question is around Jeevan Saral – i have been paying the premium for 7 years and surrendering this policy as it does not suite my needs.

Question : my premium is due next month so do you think i should be paying the pending premium and then surrender to surrender directly ? if you could shed some light in this matter.. a big thanks in advance for your answer.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Unmesh-Better to surrender before paying premium.

unmesh bagwe

thanks basu.

as you suggested i will surrender the policy without paying the pending premium but do you think it will cause any trouble or inconvenience if i surrender the policy when the premium paying date is passed ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Unmesh-I don’t think so.

Haresh

I have seven years of my LIC Jeevan Saral Policy.

If I will surrender the same now, Shall I get my total premiums paid back or not ?

If yes then shall I get any sort of additional amount ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Haresh-Please contact LIC branch.

Diwakaran

Hi,

I have taken Jeevan Saral on 2013. Two years paid. But when i look at your blog, i am surprised to see that i was cheated.

My premium details are,

10,000 – per month.

for 35 years.

DOB : 31/07/1984

Please tell me how much i will get it. Will it be good to withdraw after 5 years?

Thanks,

Mahalakshmi

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Diwakaran-I will not repeat once again, but you might know my answer 🙂

Deepu

Very informative article…

Hi Baswa,

Below are my details

DOB 9 july 1982

premium 9187 quarterly

policy term 20 years

started 24/5/2013

Sum assured 750000

Please help me in finding out total return after 20 years and also what would i get if i surrender in 5 years

Thanks in advance !

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepu-Go through the above post and older comments. You will get my answer. However, returns will be around 5%.

Deepu

Thanks Basu,

I had no interest before reading your blog and not even know the basic of investment but after reading your blog and some interesting question i did some google and found that if i invest 3000 per month in PF I will get near about 1942961 in 20 years (interest rate appx 8.7%), which would be far better then LIC.

Do you agree to this?

The only difference would be that I am not insured with PF but with LIC.

any advise you want to share?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepu-I agree. But do you feel the Jeevan Saral insurance coverage is actually fulfills your insurance need? You be underinsured by buying such products.

Deepu

No, I dont think that jeevan saral will fulfill the insurance need so I am planning to cancel this and will go for term insurance rather

But again can you give me a rough idea how much will i get if i cancel today (3 years) offcourse i will call LIC as well but thought to check with you as well

hope you wont mid

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepu-No idea.

BHARAT HEMNANI

Hi,

Have you completed the chart for surrendering.

Regards

bharat

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Bharat-It is not required as the plan itself stopped and you can get the information about surrender in your phone itself.

Bikash

Hi,

Have you completed the chart for surrendering.

Regards

Bikash

Wasim

i have a jeevan saral ….premium of 1,40,000 per annum…….i have completed 3 years….when should i terminate to get the whole premium amount back without any interest….or when should i terminate to suffer least loss in premiums….thanks in advance…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Wasim-Best to complete 5 years.

Chandan

Sir,

For example, we paid Rs. 60,000/- in 5 years under Jeevan Saral Plan,

and we surrender the policy after completion of 5 years, then what amount we get ??

we get paid amount with interest or without interest ??

Also, what will be rate of interest ?

Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Chandan-Better you contact the LIC Branch.

Chandan

I knew

Thanks

C.P.

Dear Basavaraj/ Admin

Greetings!!

Today morning I posted my query on your site and it was displayed but later on it deleted by you people but again I am writing to you.

I took Jeevan saral plan (165) on 15-10-2010, that time my age was 19th Years. I pay quarterly payment Rs. 3062/-, and sum assured is 2,50,000/- , Term – 12 years.

Now I am planing to surrender it on 20th Oct-2015 due to some personal reasons.

So please tell me what amount I will get after completion of 5 years, also tell me what rate of interest will be provided to me.

Moreover, if I complete this plan till 12th years what amount I will get ??

Your prompt revert on same will be highly appreciated.

Regards

Basavaraj Tonagatti

C.P-It was not deleted but need admin approval if you are commenting first time. Once admin approve it then only it is visible. You have to visit LIC office or use the facility they provided like “Check LIC Policy status without registration by Mobile Phone or SMS” to know the values.

C.P.

I am unable to know my query answer

So please give me brief idea what amount I will get after completion of 5 years

Basavaraj Tonagatti

C.P-It will be around 4%.

C.P.

Hello Sir,

I contacted LIC Branch and came to know that Maturity Value is Rs.50169/- even I paid Rs.64302/- to lic in 21 premium of Rs.3062/- quarterly

so its cleared, we will not get 100% amount even after completion of 5 years

Basavaraj Tonagatti

CP-True and that is the reality of traditional plans.

C.P.

Hello Sir,

Can you please confirm which form I have to fill for policy surrender

Should I fill form No 5074 ?

Or form no 3510 ?

Or any other form ?

Please confirm asap bcoz I have to send these documents out of station

Note- My policy is not completed

Basavaraj Tonagatti

C.P.-Both are one and same (I am not sure why they put two numbers).

C.P.

3062 quarterly for 5 years = 61240

I will get more than 61240+ interest = ??

or less amount ??

sharad dabir

Dear Mr. Basu,

I have taken jeevan saral policy in 2011 when my age was 60 yr.Annual prem.is Rs.60050.Till today I have paid 4 instalments. Term of the policy is for 10 years. The maturity sum assured is 152950.Tell me how much amount I can get on maturity assuming the current rate of LA.If I decide to surrender the policy , how much will i get now ?

S.T.Dabir, Aurangabad

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sharad-My answer is already available in above post and below comments. Returns will be around 5% to 6%.

Sharad Dabir

Dear Basav,

My confusion is regarding the LA payable for a 10 year term policy. It is mentioned in the scheme that LA will be paid only on complition of minimum 10 years. In that sense, the maturity amount in my case will be – Rs. 152950 (MSA) ) +Rs.45900( LA at the present rate of Rs. 300). = Rs.1198850/-. Is this correct ?

Sharad Dabir

Correction in the last line. The amount is.Rs.198850 instead of 1198850

S.T.Dabir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sharad-Yes.

satish

Hi Basu,

Some correction is required in your information.

I have surrendered my jeevan saral policy after 5 years and i haven’t received 100% of my premiums. I received Rs 36,000 lower then my premiums paid during 5 years of tenure. But you have mentioned that if surrendered after 5 years then we will receive 100% premiums.

Please let me know if you need any clarifications.

Though you have made your disclaimer statement clear but as a responsible blogging person we should be very careful in publishing financial related info on web on which people are going to take decisions.

thanks

Satish

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Satish-What I said is, LIC consider your policy as 5-year tenure policy. Accordingly they adjust the MSA for 5 years period+LA. If such adjustment is less than of what you paid then it is an eyewash which LIC created stating that this policy is highly liquid.

BIPINKUMAR SINGH

Hi Basavaraj,

I had two policies of jeevan saral for the term of 35 Years as mentioned below:-

Enrollment Date Prm Amt[Monthly] Maturity Amt

28-02-2012 [2,042.00] 5,00,000

14-01-2014 [4,083.00] 10,00,000

Can you tell me the surrender value and paid up value for both policy? AND

what you will suggest to do should I surrender or should i do the paid up for both the policy?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Bipinkumar-Please contact nearest LIC branch for surrender or paid up values. First check the values then decide. You can’t do both the things unless your policy completes 3 years.

BIPINKUMAR SINGH

thanks for the reply.:)

Kannan

Dear Sir,

Kannan here, I have taken Jeevan saral (165) policy through an agent in April 2009. The Policy details are as follows:-

Jeevan Saral (165) Policy Term – 21 years

Date of commencement: 09/04/2009

My Age at the time of policy: 30 yrs

Premium – Rs. 7656 / quarter

Maturity Sum Assured – Rs 7,24,375

Accident Benefit sum assured- Rs 6,25,000

Term rider Sum Assured – Rs. 6,25,000

Policy Maturity Date: 09/04/2030

My question is

1) The Agent showed me Jeevan Saral ATM Plan chart(Table no 165) that I would get 20 lakhs at the end of 21 yrs after taking a premium of Rs. 7656 / quarter. Will I get 20 lakhs (as per table no 165) at the end of 21yrs?

2) If no, then how much i will get actually at the end of 21 yrs?

Regards,

K. Kannan

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kannan-Even if you consider Rs.20 lakh as a return then too the return on investment will be around 4.89%. So waiting for such long 30 years and expecting around 5% return is worth?

Kannan

Thank you for your quick response…

Please let me know that could I get 20 lacs (as per table 165) at the end of 21yrs?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kannan-What I am pointing is, Rs.21 lakh you may get it. But this return is suffice and at what cost you are getting? Think seriously.

Kannan

Sir,

As per policy I need to pay premium Rs 7656 per quarter for complete policy term 21 yrs. So as a whole I could have paid around 6.5lacs (Rs 7656 * 4 * 21=Rs 6,43,104 ) at the end of 21 yrs. As per table 165, LIC will give me lumpsum of 20lacs alongwith loyalty addition after maturity period 21yrs). So I hope it is a good return. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Kannan

Awaiting for your response

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kannan-I assumed wrongly that the term of policy is 30 years. Now according to your agent, the return on this investment will be 10%. This is totally impossible from this policy. Considering the expenses involved in traditional plans and the nature of investment LIC do by this amount, it is hard to expect around 5%. Rest is left with you to decide.

Kannan

Thank you

subhash

Dear Admin and all user,

I want to share my feeling here-

I took Jeevan Saral policy in 2008 for a premium of Rs.20417 annually (my age was 24 years ).During taking the policy my agent show me a detailed chart which show multiple benefit and too much return. I observed that no agent is showing actual table to customer and formula for calculation of maturity amount. Thanks to Basavraj .

During that time I was only 24 years old and very much eager to take a pension insurance plan for my better future. I am a common man and was not aware about common insurance fraud.

Please note that LIC agent will tell you only high premium plan so that they can get good commission and Jeevan Saral is the best example. We are indian and believe on everybody very easily. We believe in LIC as our parents teach us that LIC is very good.

After taking this policy I learned many things and invested in other area like Equity, mutual fund, Recurring, FD etc and I want to share my knowledge for you.

1. Insurance- insurance should be used only for covering risk not for investment but most of us try to invest our money in insurance. ULIP is a great example for that. From my past mistake I learned that everybody should take only pure insurance without any maturity

for eg: Pradhanmantri Suraksha Bima Yozna of Rs.12 premium- it is the best example for pure insurance without maturity but only for accidental insurance

Ask your agent to show life insurance plan without any maturity. Believe me he will try to misguide you because in that case premium amount will be minimum

for eg: if you want a risk cover of Rs.500000 in case of death then you have to pay only 1400 annualy ( if your age is 24 years) so safe your family by taking pure insurance plan

Now come to second option-

2. Investment- you can invest your money in various option as per your wish but i will suggest you to invest in many option rather than in one bucket.

a. Gold

B. Property- Highest Safe Investment and best value

C. Equity Share Market- only for some Tech savy person

D. Mutual Fund- Medium risk and ladder for new investor. Personally I took ELSS mutual fund for 3 years locking period and believe me I got my money double ( may be i choose best fund or luck) and since then I am investing money every year + tax benefit

E.Kisaan Vikas Patra- we are used to it. we should invest our some % in it.

F. PPF- good for safe side and secure future

G. Local BC or Patti or Kitty- Best for businessman

H. Recurring- Its very easy( if did online) and suggest that every person invest their bank saving in it. You can withdraw anytime.

Question to Admin- Sir, I am feeling that I stuck due to investment in Jeevan Saral plan. I started with Rs.20417 in 2008 for 35 years term plan and now i want to surrender but i want some return. Through your table i calculate that i will get around 950000 without loyalty which is worst return as per me so please tell me that my calculation is right or wrong and for some return in which years I should surrender the policy.

Second Question- For securing my future I want to take a pension plan but I don’t have proper knowledge so guide me after surrender this policy which pension plan I should choose.

Third Question- I started my business recently (I worked in various MNC for last 10 years) for which I want to establish a taxation system. I read many books for taxation but got confused and need your help. For this support I can pay your fee.

My email id subhash1910@gmail.com.

Please revert.

Best Regards,

Subhash

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Subhash-I respect your sharing and concerns. However, I have different opinion about investments like Gold, Property, Equity (this is not at all meant for tech savvy, in fact, it is bet for those who understand the concept of equity) and for local BC. Now regarding your doubts,

1) Your policy already completed 5 years. Hence, visit LIC branch and ask for closure value. Then decide whether it is worth to continue or stop.

2) As of now there is no such pension product, which you may say BEST. You have to accumulate on your own.

3) Sorry, I am not an expert in that matter. I can only handle the personal finance tax but not business or corporate.

ANUP PATEL

I have LIC jivan saral policy with premium of 6065 HLY since July 2008.

1. If i surrender this policy than what amount of money i get ?

2. if i surrender after 10 years than what amount of money i get ?

MY MSA is 534990

MY TERM is 35

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anup-Contact LIC branch.

Abhishek Saxena

Thanks Basu, I can and will contact LIC nearest Branch.. but what’s the use of this blog then?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-I am not here to let all readers to know about the surrender or paid-up values. This is meant to understand you about how it works. Also, if you are so smart to ask me of WHAT IS THE USE OF THIS BLOG, then I feel it is a pity of you. This blog is meant for making you to understand how these schemes work. You already committed one mistake of investing without knowing whether it suited to you or not. Nothing comes easily and the same applies to your investment and knowledge.

Abhishek Saxena

Thanks Mr Basu.. as far as my knowledge is concerned..it doesn’t need your scale for rating..Instead of reading your blog, people can go to website, article & their policies.. but if you see most of the comments are asking for your help on MSA.. you should know how to solve it..put a excel which gives indicative , it’s still fine..

I have answer to your offending comments, but I would rather end the discussion with a note that I have got details I was looking for PERIOD

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-I wrote all information in a simple way. But I can’t spoon feed all. If I do so then what is the difference between me and the agent with whom you bought LIC policy?

Abhishek Saxena

Hi,

I have a Jeevan Saral Policy, premium 9188/- quarterly. Till now I have paid 13 premiums i.e. 3 yrs + 1 quarter.

If I now surrender the policy, what would be the surrender value?

Thanks

Abhishek

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-Contact nearest LIC branch.

Akarsh Kumar

Hi Sir,

Found your blog very useful. Thanks for the really informative post.

I need a small clarification here. I have a

Jeevan Saralpolicy since 2010. I have been paying Rs.1000/month and now it’s been 5 years and the total premium paid is Rs.60,000. So what is the amount that I will get back if I surrender now? Thespecial surrender valuesays, if 5 years’ premium has been paid then 100% of Maturity sum will be assured to us. Butguaranteed surrender valueis 30% of the total premium paid excluding 1st year’s premium. Which one of these do I get? And how to avail the Special surrender plan? Please help me out with this.Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akrash-Whichever is higher.

prashant

I have started my policy on September 2011 my premium is of 35280 per year I have paid 4 installment. My policy is jeevan saral with profit . how much I will get if I surrender this policy now.

Or if I surrender after 5th installment how much I will get ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prashant-Please contact the nearest LIC Branch for surrender value.

Rajesh Prabhakar

Sir, Is there any website where we can calculate the maturity amount of different policies?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajesh-Sadly no such website available. But by the above method, you can calculate yourself easily.

Ambica

Please let me know any plan related to Jeevan Saral benefits

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ambica-As of now no such plans.

Praveen Kumar

I purchased a Jeevan Saral Policy in Feb. 2009 and have paid instalments for six years. My quarterly instalment is Rs. 9800/-. Now I want to surrender this policy. How much amount I will get 0ut of it. I have paid for six years as follows:

9800X24= 235200

Whether I will get some interest on it or not? Kindly help me.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Praveen-Visit nearest LIC branch.

sumit saurav

Hello Sir ,

My name is Sumit , I am having a jeevan saral policy taken in 2011 @ the age of 24 . The premium amount is 48000 yearly & policy period is 35 years .I come to know after so many blogs that i did a mistake of taking this policy . I have paid premium for 4 years & would like to quit after paying the 5th year premium . Can you please let me know the amount i will get aftr completion of 5th premium under special surrender ?? Please advise . Also please let me now the value after completing ten years of premium . Will get loyalty bonus add on ??

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sumit-Please go through below comments.

pradeep singh

i am paying 1500 pm for 15 years and my plan is Jeevan Saral… please calculate the maturity amount and send me the same in my email.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pradeep-Take the pain and read post and comments 🙂

Sameer

hi sir,

please upload the Sum assured chart for LIC jeevan saral policy.

Regards,

Sameer

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sameer-It’s already closed plan. Why you need it now?

vipul joshi

Hello Sir,

i have bought Jeevan saral in 2011 and paying premium of Rs.30025/- since then. Its for 35 years. I took it when i was 25 years old. I am still confused what i will be getting after 35 years. Policy date of maturity is in 2046. Sorry for the confusion but i am not good in this type of calculations and lot of confusion about the sum assured and maturity sum etc…

Also let me know how you calculate so I can plan and calculate in future accordingly.

moreover can we take same policy twice or increase premium in between?

Thank you sir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vipul-Procedure is already explained above. Please go through it.

priyanka

hi

thanks for sharing valuable information.

my husband brought a LIC Jeevan Saral Policy (Table 165) for 18 years at the age of 33yr in 2010 , qtly premium 15312. Policy sum assured value 12,50,000/-. Please let me know my total maturity value.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Priyanka-If you want to surrender within 10 years then it may be less than your savings account interest.

Calvin

Why so much partiality. For the guys questions you just told them to read the article and for the girl you answered her question. 🙂

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Calvin-Is it? I have not done any such partiality. Initially I tried to reply with their unique quaries. But if the same quaries started to repeat then I requested readers to follow the earlier comments. For me no differentiation of gender.

Ramani

Dear Sir..

Its wonderful the way u explained the calculations. I will be extremely grateful to you if you could tell me the exact surrender value. I am investing Rs 3000/- month in Jeevan saral for 15 years term starting in March 2011. If I surrender after completing 5 years of premium paid ( i.e in April 2016) what amount I should assume to get ? Pls help. My maturity sum assured is Rs 750000/-

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramani-Exact surrender value will be available with LIC. So better to contact them.

Nitin Masaye

Dear Sir,

I took Jeevan Saral for my Wife on 12-Dec-2011 for 35 yrs term and my annual premium was 12000/.

As one of my friend told that the Maturity Sum assured is not that great in this policy.

So Please guide whether to continue with this policy or surrender it after 5 yrs.

Thanks in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Nitin-Yes your friend is right. If your expectation is more than 6% then better to surrender.

sharad

dear sir

i have bought jeevan saral before 5 years back

monthly premium is 1000

how much money i should get after 25 years

Pritish Paril

Hi,

I had taken Jeevan Saral policy in combination with Jeevan Anand in 2013 at the age of 26 for a term of 30 yrs. I pay monthly premium of Rs. 1125 towards Jeevan Anand and Rs. 1021 towards Jeevan Saral. Please suggest me whether I should surrender Jeevan Saral after lock-in period of 3 yrs ends. My mother also pays Rs. 360000 as annual premium for Jeevan Saral.

Also the premium schedule chart provided by my advisor shows return of 1416000 after 30 yrs from Jeevan Anand policy. Is it true ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pritish-Better to surrender after 5th year. What bonus he considered to arrive at that final amount?

Chitra

Hello Sir,

My husband has opted for LIC Saral Policy (165) in 2010 at the age of 21. Sum assured-300000, premium-3675 quarterly, Term- 30 years. Location-Pune, Maharashtra.

What would be the amount we will receive after maturity of the policy?

Thanks,

Chitra

Chandra

Dear Sir

Based on your comments, it seems it is advisable to exit this plan after 5 years. I have paid 3 premiums so far. Should I stop paying premiums and surrender after 5 years or pay 2 more premiums and then exit?

Thank you so much in guiding laymen with this forum.

Regards

Chandra

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Chandra-First check with LIC branch how much you get if you stop now or pay for next three years. Then based on that take your decision.

kutub

Sir I have a jeevan saral plan

30yrs term

Taken at age 26

Premium paid for 6yrs(rs.1940 monthly)

If I surrender now I will get 100000/-

If surrender after 10yrs will I get rs.400000/-

Is my above calculation true

Sir please help

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kutub-Why can’t confirm the same from LIC branch? Because both calculations are exaggerated.

ROHIT HANDA

DEAR SIR,

I HAVE BROUGHT THE PRODUCT OF LIC “JEEVAN SARAL” AT DECEMBER-2013 OF RS. 11, 25,000/- FOR 26 YEARS TERMS & YEARLY PREIMUM PAID OF RS. 54045/- ONLY.

SIR MY QUERY IS THAT IF I HAVE TO COMPLETELY SURRENDER THE POLICY AFTER NEXT FIVE YEARS, SO WHAT I WILL GET ON PRE-MARUITY VALUE,

OR IF I WILL HAVE TO GO AHEAD AFTER NEXT FORTHCOMING ELEVEN YEARS, SO WHAT I WILL GET ON SURRENDER VALUE. IT WILL BE ALSO PAYABLE L.A. OR NOT.

KINDLY HELP ME AT THIS MATTER. I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rohit-Better you contact LIC branch to know the values of period you mentioned. How can I say those values?

raju banerjee

Sir I want to purchase a land worth Rs 12 lacs. as an investment I had given an advance Worth Rs 5 lacs the registration will be on coming March 15. But sir I have a shortage of Rs 3.5 lacs. sir i am a self employed person running my own computer business and i am an income tax payer. am i eligible for a loan for land purchase. except the advanced deed i Had nothing to give as a security to bank.

actually i am from west bengal and the property(land) which i want to purchase is in the state of Bihar just 2 hours from my location. if i am eligible, from where do i apply a loan from my nearest Branch? or in the Branch where I want to purchase the land ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-Please contact the branches where your land is located.

Ramprabhu

I got Jeevan Saral Policy two years before.

My yearly premium is Rs.31,826. ANd the Sum Assured is Rs.6,62,500/-

I just paid two Premium. I am yet to pay premium for this year (Dec 14).

By reading all above comments, I have decided better to quit the policy at this stage and buy some Term Insurance (Jeevan Amulya).

Just wanted your advice. Is it better to quit now or after 5 years?

Please help.

-Ram

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramprabhu-It is better to continue if your are satisfied with return I quoted in below comments. Otherwise discontinue immediately after 5 years why to buy offline term insurance of Jeevan Amulya, when LIC offering cheaper online term plan?

Rajinikanth Reddy

Hi Basavaraj Tonagatti,

Excellent comments / reply by you sir,

Keep it,

Thanks,

Rajinikanth Reddy.

Deepak

hi Basavaraj,

i have jeeval saral 165 policy my quarterly premium RS 6431

can u explain before 20 year how much my maturity amount .

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepak-You go through the above review and below comments. You get my answer easily 🙂

Ajay Kolambe

Basav for this plan I want more clarity

I have saral plan for 30 Years with 30K yearly prem, 7 year completed, MSA is 162262

LIC office told mi surrender value 159355 for today

Accroding to the product note if I continue till 10th year my surrender value should be MSA i.e. 162262 but my agent told mi that u continue till 10th you will receive the bounus + 100% of value paid that is 3 lacs + bonus aprox comes to 3.75 lacs

pls suggest what will be surrender value after 10th year,I got for after 7th year

in this situation what should I do

pls note that I don’t want to continue this till 30 years

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ajay-Don’t do so much research. Calculate yourself the amount you pay for 10 years then consider the current LA for for 10 year term. You get answer, i.e return of 4% !!!

Abhishek R

Hello,

I have been following your Blog Posts for some time now and find them very informative. I had a Query regarding my Jeevan Saral Policy. I was also one of many people who got lured by a LIC Agent and got trapped in this Policy.

I had taken this Policy in 2008 and it has completed 6 Yrs. now and now i want to surrender it. I got to know from LIC Customer Care that i will be getting around 1.75 L and my Premium Paid till now is 2.18 L.

With a heavy heart, i am ready to bear the Loss.

However, most important thing i want to know is whether i will lose the Tax Exemptions that i have claimed by showing the LIC Premiums as Investment under 80C ? Do i need to repay all the Amount that i have claimed under 80C for 6 Yrs.?

Awaiting your response.

Thank you.

Abhishek R

Forgot to add that i also seem to have misplaced the original Policy Document. Do i need to apply for a Duplicate Policy Document before surrendering it ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-Please go through the tax benefits of Life Insurance by visiting my earlier post “Tax Benefits of Life Insurance“.

Abhishek R

After going through the above link, i can conclude that I do not need to repay back the amount I have got exempted till now under 80c. Kindly confirm.

Also, plz let me know if I need to obtain the duplicate policy before surrendering, as I seem to have misplaced my original policy document.

Thank you.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-If you understood the Sec.80C reversal rules then go ahead as suggested. Yes for surrendering you need to apply for duplicate bond.

Harsh

Hi Sir,

I have Started my LIC Jeevan Saral Policy on 09-Dec-2009,

I am paying a premium f 24020 yearly.

My DOB is 16-08-1986.

Please let me know what is the amount that i will get back once i surrender the policy in Dec 2014, i.e. after completion of 5 years.

Thanks,

Harsh

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Harsh-Only GOD knows, because even LIC officials are not aware of this 🙂

harsh

Thanks For the Reply Sir.

It would be great if you can tell me that Will the Amount be at least equal to the premium paid by me i.e. 120,000 or less than that ?

Thanks,

Harsh

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Harsh-Contact LIC branch for the same.

Laxmikant

Dear basavraj

My dob- 25/12/84 and my jeevan saral plan details are as follows

Policy date- 21/03/2011

Quarterly premium- 15312

Table-165, term- 20 yrs

Sir, how much will I get after completion of 10 yrs and 20 yrs

Thanks in advance

Laxmikant

And one more thing sir do we get MSA+LA after completion of 5 yrs

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Laxmikant-Please go through below comments. You will find my answer 🙂

Ashish

Dear Sir,

How much do you expect the Loyalty addition to rise as as of now based on bonus 2014-15 its 475 for 13 years with highest premium paid slab.

This question is to understand if i am staying invested and say redeeming it at 25 years (instead of 13 years for which the calculation of 475 is given) how much this LA would be ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ashish-Even if one exaggerate the values then too return from this policy will be around 5% to 6%.

Vikas

Hi

I purchased Jeevan Saral plan with yearly payment of 30025/- for 35 Years. Policy started in 12/2008. As per the comments it does not look a policy with good returns.

1)Can you please advise me that do we have better LIC policy than Jeevan Saral?? If yes, should i go for surrender the policy and take that one.

2) If not LIC can you suggest me any good investment tool with can give the approx. 10% guaranteed returns with the investment of 2500-3000/- per month.

Regards,

Vikas Singla

rajeev singh

Dear sir,

I have purchased quaterly premium of lic jivan saral plan for 21 year with value 4594 per quaterly basis i have paid 5 year .i wants to surrender plz confirm the return amount

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajeev-Please go through below comments. You will find my answer so many times.

saumil

I am paying 25000 Rs yearly premium since last 10 years of jeevan saral policy. Already 11 premium paid. I want to surrender my policy next year..Heard 260% loyality addition declared.What will be my surrender value next year.

kindly help.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saumil-Please confirm the source of 260% of LA first, then we discuss further.

saumil

I got information from my LIC agent. He checked with LIC Branch.

Ramesh

Hi,

I bought this policy on 2008 and paid my 7th installment(210000).Recently i am in need of money and wanted to surrender.surrender office said i can only get 1,65000.

If i continue till 11th year i may get good returns(3-5%).

ridiculous!!!!

Beware these agents..they may say 100 rupees each year after 20 year you will get 2100 + expensive accidental insurance.

Regards,

cs dubey

Sir,

I have taken jeevan saral policy when I was 20 yrs old and paid Rs. 4083 monthly premiuma for 25 yrs. Policy completed 5 yrs I dn’t understand what should have to do ? Surrender or continue. If surrender then what amount wlii be get.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dubey-If you feel return of around 6% is good for that 25 years of investment then continue. Otherwise surrender it. For values better to contact LIC branch.

aniruddha

Hello Sir,

I read your post completely. I am very bad at math. I will be very much glad if you help me with the figures.

I got LIC jeevan saral policy.

I pay 3000/month

on my LIC doc it shows 1589790 as mat sum assured and 2048 as last date

i can not hold for that long

how much will i get after 5 yrs and 10 yrs (lump sump) including all the benefits.

I have lost the faith in this policy.

How do you consider this policy.

I have just started earning can you suggest me better approaches of investment to get good benefits.

I am very new to all these.

Also can I get loan on jeevan saral if so how much?

aniruddha

Hi

My understanding from your article is I will get 80% of premium paid after 3 years i.e. 80% x (3x72K) = 1.72 Lacs.

And if I hold it for 5 years surrender value will be 100% of premium paid i.e. 5x72K i.e. Rs 3.6 Lacs.

If I consider my example here

3*60 = 180

but after 10 yrs some of the charts on the internet shows

3*120= 360 (something around 6 lacks i shown)

How is that calculated?

Also If My term is 35 yrs.

Will I get near around 6 lacks after 10 yrs?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anirudha-It is not a rocket science to understand these basic things. Try to understand yourself and take control of your money. Otherwise one more agent will come and sell you one more bad products. After all it is your money. So take care by learning basics.

Pranav Thakur

See what I understood is, if I have 10,00,000 INR sum assured at maturity and if term is for 35 years with yearly premium of >50000 if we assume rate of 425 INR for 35 years per 1000 rupees of sum assured then loyalty addition will be

(10,00,000/1000)*425*35=1,48,75000 INR

Am I right?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pranav-Totally wrong. Because LA is not an yearly payout. So multiplying it by 35 is wrong. Do it without multiplying with period of policy i.e 35 Yrs.

Achin

Hi Basavaraj,

I have Jeevan Saral with 72k/year premium paid half yearly. I have already paid 6 premiums i.e. for 3 years. please suggest what is the best time to surrender the policy.

My understanding from your article is I will get 80% of premium paid after 3 years i.e. 80% x (3x72K) = 1.72 Lacs.

And if I hold it for 5 years surrender value will be 100% of premium paid i.e. 5x72K i.e. Rs 3.6 Lacs.

Please check if this is right?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Achin-Yes true.

Pari

Hi,

I have two different policies from LIC – Jeevan Tarang and Saral.

Have question regarding Saral. As per my LIC bond, sum assured is rs.5 lakh and for 21 years. I bought this LIC on 23.09.2009 hence this September (2014), 5 years completed for this policy. I am paying quarterly Rs. 6125 premium. Now, my query is, if I surrender my policy now(after 5 years), what would be my SA? I have this question because in this forum page you said have explained about DAB.

Thank you

Pari

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pari-Please read complete description. In this policy SA is different and MSA is different. Once you go for closure after 5th year then this MSA is reduced to 5 years policy period and accordingly you receive benefits.

Manish Gautam

Very useful article. Thank you Basavarajji.

Jaydev

can you please let me know then formula ( logic) for calculate MSA ? I am also frustrate with jeevan saral plan and paying 42000 yearly. Now I am planning to come out from this plan so if you have formula/function for calculate MSA then please provide me. Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Jaydev-No need to scratch your head. MSA will be available on your bond document. Suggest you to recheck it.

atul

invest in LIC is foolness. instead go for mutual fund, SIP.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Atul-Thanks for your views.

Ajay Kolambe

Jindagi sath bhi nahi chahiye

bad bhi nahi chahiye.

All products are bakwas including term plan of LIC.

What is the life ecpectancy calculation of LIC acturies I didnt understood.

Puri loot machake rakhi hai

LIC ko jano mere yaro….

Sudhir

Hi,

As per LIC site, i am not able to understand how they are calculating the scenario I (6%)and II (10%) amount.

https://www.licindia.in/special_plan_001_illustration.htm

can you please help me in understanding this?

Thanks,

Sudhir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sudhir-What LIC showing the return of 6% and 10% is indicative return as specified by IRDA. This made mandatory for all insurers as it will give a clear picture how the product works in a scenario of 6% and 10%. But never ever be in wrong belief that LIC will give you either 6% or 10% return. Nothing is guaranteed and it is based on performance, bonus declaration or LA declaration.

Surya

Hi Sir,

I took jeevan saral policy in May-2010 for a monthly premium of Rs. 6125 for a term of 25 years. I took this policy at the age of 25. On my policy document MSA is given as 21,83,100 and my SA is 15,00,000. I pay policy premium on a quarterly basis.

I have a couple of questions on this,

1. Even though I am paying premiums till date, the payments were irregular and the policy got lapsed and revived for around 3 times in the last 4 year period. Does this affect the bonus or LA that I am going to receive after its maturity? Also, in LIC website, Vested bonus against my policy is shown as zero. What exactly does Vested bonus means?

2. Can you give me the approximate amount that I am going to receive after completion of 25 years and do you think if it is better to surrender the policy or continue ? Please advise an alternative financial tool where I can gain maximum benefits compared to jeevan saral if I invest regularly for 25 years with monthly amount of 6000 Rs.

Thanks,

Surya.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Surya-1) It will not affect your return part. Yes it is showing bonus as zero. Because this policy not contains bonus but Loyalty Addition.

2) It will be around 6%. Gaining maximum benefit depends on lot of things. So without knowing your financial life it is hard for me to guide you.

Surya

Hi Sir,

Thanks for the prompt reply.

1. The 6% you are saying is the gain on the MSA and that too after 25 years? The chart provided to me by the agent shows that I would receive around 81 lacs after a period of 25 years. Do you feel I should go for surrendering it? When you would suggest me to surrender?

2. My annual income is around 12 Lacs, and I am looking for an investment plan which would give good returns (long term investment of 25 yrs @ 6000 Per Month) as well as tax-benefit scheme under 80C. It would be great if that investment would cover me for insurance too eventhough I am contemplating of taking term policy.

Thanks,

Surya.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Surya- 1) 6% gain is not MSA but the premium you pay. This includes MSA+LA. Either believe your agents or facts shown by me. So decision is left with you. If you are planning to surrender then go ahead after 5th year.

2) My first advice is not to include insurance with investment. Buy term insurance of around Rs.1 Cr to Rs.1.5 Cr. Then based on your financial goals choose a plan. How much according to you is GOOD RETURN?

Surya

Hi Sir,

Thanks again for your reply.

1. Is there any blog entry by you to calculate the surrender value after 5 years of Jeevan Saral?

2. The definition of good return according to me would mean the following,

a. may be 15-20% for a long term investment of 20 years. ( Rs 6000 PM)

b. provides tax benefits under 80C

c. Guarantee for my money.

Thanks,

Surya.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Surya-1) Neither blog nor LIC officials know the values. If you can then check out by visiting LIC branch 🙂 and this is the reality.

2) You are asking me to bring down moon on earth by asking imaginary returns of 20%, tax efficient and GUARANTEE. Do remember that each product have it’s own positive and negative side. Along with that return is always directly proportional to risk. So in one way you are expecting high returns and in another way you are claiming Guarantee of money. Only GOD or some agents who mis-sell can suggest you such product. Please be realistic and look around for products and do your own research. There is no magic wand neither in me nor with any expert of earth to provide and suffice all your requirements.

Ram

Hi Sir,

I opted for jeevan saral policy from 2010 Aug.

My Sum Assured mentioned in the policy document is 4,00,000

My Meturity Sum Assurance mentioned in the policy document is 3,12,000

As per your comments I understood that after completion of 5 years if I surrender 100% of meturity sum assurance will be payable to the customer.

In that After completion of 5 years if I surrender the policy I will get 3,21,000 not the amount which I have paied for premiums

Could you please correct me if I understood wrongly

Thanks,

Ram

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ram-Sir the MSA will be adjusted according to your term of policy. The said MSA is for the full term of plan purchased by you but not for 5 years. If that is the case then every one might have booked 200% profit 🙂

Ram

Thank you for your quick reply!!! Appreciate your efforts!!!

In that case, can you please calculate the expected amount if I surrender after 5 years? or please share me the excel to calculate the returns at charith33@gmail.com

start date is Aug-2010, Base premium – 4800, mode- quarterly, my age when I took policy – 25

Thanks,

Ram.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ram-I am unable to do so as I don’t have any data with me to calculate.

Ram

Please let me know the required details. I will provide.

for now,

My policy Jeevan Saral is Quarterly mode and paying 4900 every quarter.

I took this policy when I was 25, Aug-2010, SA is 400000, MSA is 3,12,000.

Please calculate the MSA after 5 years.

Thanks,

Ram.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ram-Required details of not about policy details from your end or MSA calculation, but the LA rate which none (even LIC officials) not know. You can check it with LIC, they too don’t know about this 🙂 This is the reality.

Ram

Hi Sir,

Out of 3 surrender options, which one they consider to calculate the returns if we surrender the policy after 5 years, do you any idea? Does the surrender option mentioned in the policy document?

Just curious about it:)

Thanks,

Ram.

Imran

Hi Mr. Basavaraj,

This is Imran here, 36 yrs old. I am a NRI, working & living in Kuwait (Middle East) for the past 5 years. Thanks for sharing the information regarding the LIC Policies. I’m actually new to this concept of LIC Policies, investments, mutual funds etc.

Family members – Me, my wife & a son (1 1/2 yr old).

I have taken Jeevan saral (165) policy through an agent in Hyd, in Aug 2013. The Policy details are as follows:-

Jeevan Saral (165) Policy Term – 21 years Date taken: Aug 17 2013

My Age at the time of policy: 35 yrs

Premium – Rs. 60,050 / year Premiums Paid – One ( Aug 2013- Jul 2104)

Sum Assured – Rs. 12,50,000

Death benefit sum assured – Rs. 12,50,000

Maturity Sum Assured – Rs 13,93,200 Policy Maturity Date: Aug 17 2034

Date of commencement – Aug 17 2013.

The Agent showed me Jeevan Saral ATM Plan chart that I would get 44 lakhs at the end of 21 yrs after taking a premium of Rs. 60000 per year. You can find this chart online too.

Example of the chart:- LIC Maturity calculated based on 10% I.R.R

—————————————————————————————————-

Term 250 400 500 750 1000 1500 2000 3000 4000 5000 6000

—————— ————————————————————————————————————————

1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

3 5122 8195 10244 15366 20488 30732 40976 61464 81952 102440 122928

……….

………..

21 223848 357833 447291 670938 894583 1341874 1709166 2683749 3578332 4472915 5367498

Do I really get this amount “4472915” after I complete 21 yrs of my LIC Plan? I know that the agent has lured me in taking this policy. What’s the approximate amount that I get at the end of 21 years?

Is it worth investing Rs. 60000 for this policy for 21 years?

How much Loyalty Addition would I get once I complete the 21 yrs term, If you have any Idea?

Any bonus will be there too?

Should I continue in this policy or opt out? As I have no idea about my future financial situation.

What is term plan, risk cover, investment, mutual fund, can you plz explain?

What’s the best option available for an NRI to put or invest the money in like mutual fund, investment, term plan?

Can I go for a health plan in India being an NRI?

I want to secure my son’s future too. Which plan should I go for?

Actually I’m new to this kind of concept, that’s why I have so many questions.

Please advice me in this matter. My Email ID: imran2222@gmail.com

Thanks & Regards,

Imran

Kuwait.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Imran-I already replied to your earlier comment. Please follow the same.

Imran

Dear Basavaraj,

Thanks for all the information regarding the Jeevan Saral Policy Table 165. I have taken this policy in Aug 2013, after reading all the comments I have decided to drop out.

Premium – 60050 yearly, Premiums Paid – 1, Term – 21 yrs

Thanks for giving the Jeevan Saral LA amount for the 2013-14, as per the link provided by you.

Term – LA

10 – 375

11 – 400

12 – 425

……..

20 – 650

Will the LA amount Rs. 650 per 1000 SA be the same every year or increase or decrease?

Thanks,

Imran

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Imran-It depends on LIC performance. But you can’t expect any wonders.

Rajesh

Hi,

Thanks for detail explanation. I have Jeevan Saral with Annual premium f Rs 490,000/=

What is maturity sum expected. I have taken this for 10 years.

Can you send me excel sheet for calculation rdani123@gmail.com

Thank you

Rajesh

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajesh-Do you have still confusion after reading the above post and below comments??

Viren Trivedi

Dear Sir,

I have jeevan saral, and paid 5 premiums for 48000/year. If i do not surrender this policy and just let it lapsed. So would i get return what i have paid earlier. I can wait till next 5 years.

Please suggest as i am not in condition to pay more premiums and surrendering this policy at this stage would occur in lose of 50000 around to me.

Thanks in Advance…….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Viren-Contact LIC branch and ask for both surrender as well as paid up and then decide based on your comfort.

dhimant shah

Hi

Can you please let me know how Loyalty Addition is calculated for Jeevan Saral for 20 year policies

IS it that every year if they declare some amount say 250 than LA will be added every year till 20th year

Thanks

Dhimant Shah

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Dhimant-It is not payable on yearly base. It is one time payment and will be payable either on death or maturity.

Pratik

Hi..

I took jeevan saral at age of 23.

SA = 9,00,000

Half yearly payment = 21834

I have already paid 7 installments of premium (3.5 years).

I want to convert this policy into paid up policy.

I have heard that your sum assured is reduced, but you will continue to get benifits of loyal addition.

Q: is it so?

Q: Do i need to pay premium after 10th year, to continue the policy. I want to continue by paying low premium, is it possible>??

need your quick advice,

Also let me know the pros and cos of paid up policy in my case..

Thankk

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pratik-Paid up will be useful when you are about to end the policy term but not at early years. So better to opt for surrender. Are you so much interested in this plan which even if you complete 10 years will give you not more than 5% return??

PC^

Hi basvaraj

I have jeevan saral policy, SA = 9,00,000, 21834 Half yearly payment.

I have already payed 7 installments of premium (3.5 years). I have read you can convert this policy into paid up policy.

I know that maturity sum assured will be reduced to nearly 1/3rd, if i do so.

Q: whether will continue to get the loyalty addition after 10 years, if will continue paying premium (reduced premium )after 10 years??

Q; According to my agent, my policy will get lapsed after 5 years, if i wont pay any premium.

I want to get out of this policy as it is hardly giving any returns.

I need your help..

Thanks

PC^

Basavaraj Tonagatti

PC-Better to pay till 5 years completion then surrender it.

PC^

Thanks Basavaraj for reply.

I read in the bond document that partial surrender is possible after 3 years of the premium payment.

Minimum premium to be paid has to be 3000 p.a.

Does that mean LIC will give us rest of the premium back?? (which is nearly 40,000 p.a )

Does LIC really allows so? My LIC agent told me a shear NO..!

According to me, if i partially surrender it, it wont be a bad deal..!

Because i would lose a good amount of money now, or even after 5 years..

Pls advice.

Thanks in advance..

PC^

Pls advice

Prashant Vaidya

Sir, I have taken Jeevan Saral..Yrly Permium Rs.60000/- Term- 35000/-.

I have paid 3 Premiums. ( I also have Pension plans with LIC. ) . However looing at approxx. return of 7% , i would like to surrender this. Kindly inform shall i wait at least till 2 more yers and ten surrender the policy after completion of 5 yrs. Or Right now also ok.

Thansk.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prashant-Better to wait for 2 more years.

Prashant Vaidya

Sir,Whts the advantage. I will be any way loosing the first permium/ min one even after i surrender after 5 yrs.. I think in this policy for no loss is not possible for min 10 yrs. i.e. only after 10 yrs – no paid premium is deducted even if i surrender the policy.

kindly advice.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prashant-If you wait for 10 long years then return will be less than 4%. So is good? Best option is to stay away after 5th year.

Prashant Vaidya

No Sir.I dont want to wait for 10 yrs.What i am asking is shall i surrender it today?- as I have already paid 3 premiums – today my loss will be 30% – if i surrender.. However if my knowledge is correct – then even if i continue for two more yrs and then surrender it after 5 yrs. – still i believe i will loose the first premium whicch is around 60000/-.. My exact qn. is — whats the advantage of paying 2 more premiums – wait for 5 yrs to complete and then surrender.. Pls pls advice. ( As such if at least some benefit is ther.. I can afford to pay two more premiums) Thanks.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prashant-Better to wait for 2 more years and then surrender.

Tanmay

Dear Basavaraj,

I have Jeevan Saral for annual premium of 40,000 for the period of 35 year and I have already paid 7 premiums. I am wondering is it best to surrender the policy or continue for 10 year to get the loyalty bonus.

Your advice would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Tanmany-Better to surrender now.

Varnu

Hi Basavaraj,

Greetings !!

I have one Jeevan saral plan and I`m paying 65000 PA , Just need your advice if this is really worth to continue ?

How much I can expect after completion of 10 years ?

Regards,

Varun

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Varnu-It is worth if you are satisfied with return of around 4% to 5%. It is worth if you feel your insurance coverage from this plan is suffice. Otherwise it is BIG NO product.

Abhishek Pathak

Hello Sir,

I have two LIC policies: –

1. Jeevan Anand : For 30 Years : Premium : 2519 quarterly : Paid 17

2. Jeevan Saral : For 35 Years : Premium : 7656 quarterly : Paid 11

Sir, my questions are following: –

1. Do I need to stay with both policies?

2. What are the maturity value for both policies?

3. Planning to invest 1500 monthly for 10 – 12 years, so what is the best option.

Please advise.

Thanks,

Abhishek

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-Please understand that if you are totally satisfied with the return of around 6% to 7% by go on investing for around 30-35 years then you can continue. Otherwise you need to think seriously. Option is left with you.

Joydev Karan

I have taken Jiwan Saral policy ( Table-165) in Aug’2008 half yearly premium Rs.24240.00 . Already others policy purchases from Various Insuarnce Company also,total sum insured Rs.22 lacs.Now I want surender of Jiwan saral policy,because return after 20 years from LIC Rs.18-19 lacs from this policy.If I invest this amount in PPF return after 20 years Rs.27.00 Lacs. Now Jiwan saral plan continue or surennder. OR Open PPF account insted of LIC Jiwan Saral Plan .Please advice/Suggest to me for

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Joydev-Please read below comments fully.

Vivek Kumar

Dear sir,

I am 20 years old student and also doing job in LIC.My monthly salary is 10000/month.I am looking for my family future and also mine.So, please suggest me some financial planing for me.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vivek-First buy online term insurance of your choice for around Rs.20,00,000. Create around 6 months of household expenses as emergency fund and keep it in Bank FD. Buy health insurance to you and to your dependents. After this we can discuss regarding investing and all.

Vivek Kumar

Dear sir,

Thanks, but i am already taken a anmol jeevan plan of LIC, and sum assured is 8 lac and also my father done 1 lac FD in SBI on my name 3 years ago.after paying my premium of anmol jeevan 10000/m is my in hand sallary.

So, please suggest me a good type of financial planing.

I want in my 40 years age,I have around 40 to 50 lacs in my name.What type of planning is better for achive this goal.Because if i am investing in LIC,it’s not possible.So,please suggest me sum FD and PPF or other investment area.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vivek-Suggestion is to increase your sum assured from Rs.8 lakh to Rs.15 lakh at least. For this I suggest you to go for LIC’s online plan which will be cheaper than what you are paying now. Second thing, buy health insurance for your family. Next start investing in PPF around 30% of surplus, rest in the mutual fund like Franklin India Bluechip Fund (G) or HDFC Top 200 Fund (G)

Rajesh

Hi,

I have a query, I took the LIC’s Jeevan Saral policy in 2012 .

Monthly I’m paying 3062 Rs and policy term is 25 (is policy term means no. of years?) .

Could you please tell me what I will get after the completion of this policy?. What will be the return percentage.?

Then only I have to decide ,whether I need to continue or not.

Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajesh-Yes policy term means no. of years. After maturity you will receive MSA+LA. Return will be around 5% to 6%.

Vivek Kumar

Policy no DOC Premium

903776951 08/07/2010 Rs.510/-

903776952 08/07/2010 Rs.510/-

903776953 08/07/2010 Rs.255/-

903590139 22/7/2009 Rs.510/-

Above mention details for jeevan saral policy.I want to know surrender value of above policies after 5 years and after 10 years.If the value is not tell clearly,than please tell me approximate amount,which i get after surrender.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vivek-Let them complete 5 years then go for surrender.

Sidharth

Hi Basavaraj,

I have a LIC Jeevan Saral (165) policy which i took in February 2009 – monthly premium INR 3062 for 35 years. I have not been given any loyalty bonus (LA) till date on the policy.

Now that i have completed 5 years of premium payment, i wish to surrender my policy. However Iam not able to properly calculate the indicative/approximate surrender value of the policy. I request some help from you in this regard.

According to me, the guaranteed surrender value (GSV) is INR (3000*52 months*30%) i.e. INR 46,800

The Special Surrender value (SSV) is 100% of the Maturity Sum Assured (MSA) in this case, which Iam unable to calculate. Can you please explain to me the SSV taking certain assumptions for clarity.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sidharth-LA will be calculated at once only. So as of now you have not received any LA. Regarding surrender valuation calculation at 5 years, I suggest you to visit LIC office they will guide you with MSA and eligibility of LA.

ANIL DEVRUKHKAR

i want know , i alerdy complete 3.6 years ,my montly preium in 1021 , i wnat know if now i surrender what should be amount i get , policy no is 883990656

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anil-Please visit your nearest or servicing branch for the same.

Kailas

Dear Basavraj

Jeevan Saral was launched in 2004. It has not completed 10 years yet then how the LA for 10,11,12 years are declared for maturity,death, surrender claim?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kailas-Exactly….you need to ask LIC 🙂

Tarana

Hi Basavraj,

I had taken LIC Jeevan Saral policy . Here are the details:

Date of commencement – Feb 2007

Mode of payment – yearly

premium – 48040 Rs

Age at the time of buying policy – 25 years

Duration of policy – 20 years

So in Feb 2014, it has been around 7 years since I have been paying annual premiums for it. However, I am confused whether I should continue this policy for whole 20 years and expect some good returns or should I discontinue it now .

There was a chart prepared by my agent considering 10% Projected Investment Rate of Return according to which after 20 years I might get around 21 lakhs.

Can you please let me know if this looks realistic or was just a marketing stunt from him to sell the policy.

Also please let me know that when the maturity sum assured is already fixed at the start of policy, then how does this interest rate affect the final sum which we receive in Jeevan Saral.

Really looking forward to your guidance on this.

Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Tarana-Even if you continue till policy end then you can’t expect more than 6% return from this policy. So better to surrender it now itself. It was indicative return what your agent showed you but not GUARANTEED. But the reality is that after agents expenses of around 35% in first year, 7.5% in second and third year and 5% after that, will you still hopeful that this plan will generate even 7% return??

MSA is like SA, it equals to around or more of paid amount. But real yearly addition is loyalty addition which changes year on year based on LIC’s declaration. So eventhough MSA is fixed, depending on LA your returns from this policy fixed. Now ball is your court to decide.

Rehaman

Hello,

i’m 26 years old now, Last year i’ve taken jeevan saral of Rs. 36630 / year. Now i get to to know about real insurance means and i would like to take a term insurance and i want cancel my jeevan saral.

Till now what i understood is i can only cancel this jeevan saral after 3 years on 30% loss OR i’ll get full amount after 5 years….Is that correct what i understood?

Kindly help me… i don’t want to loose my money.

Thanks…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rehaman-Better to come out after 5 years.

Munendra Parmar

Nobody knows what you will get after five years. It is not necessary that even you will get your total premiums paid for last 5 years???

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Munendra-It is LIC’s responsibility.

Kapil Karwa

Hello Sir. I took Jeevan Saral policy in Aug 2010. Half Yealy Premium= Rs 4852/- Sum Assured 2lac .I have paid 5 half yearly premiums(4852*5=Rs 24,260/- i.e for 2.5 years). After that i haven’t paid the premium. I want to surrender it. Currently i will get nothing as 3 years premium have not been paid. Now the LIC guys says pay the revival premium for the policy and then surrender to get some(80-90% of MSA) money back. Revival quote they gave me was of 3 half yearly premiums(4852*3=14556+100(late fee)) . So should i pay the revival premium to surrender in future or not to pay?Need your expertise, Thank You

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kapil-Before proceeding further ask them how much surrender you receive in case you pay the pending dues.

Kapil Karwa

I did asked the question. They said “First Pay then only Surrender Value quotation will be available”.

Also in last month I did surrendered one of Jeevan Saral policy which was in dad’s name.

Its details..Annual Premium=Rs38,116/- paid for 3 years i.e Rs 1,16,448 After surrendering it i got Rs 71,050/-

which was around 80% of reduced MSA(82,000) .By corresponding this policy to current scenario I did some math and came with Rs 24,686/- surrender value payable.

Case 1: If I dont pay revival premium..in that case Rs 24,260/- loss

Case 2: If I pay revival premium ..in that case Rs 16,740/- loss(as total premium s paid will be of Rs 40,000/-)

Kapil Karwa

Is it worth paying the revival premium as per my calculation??? Waiting for your reply.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kapil-Then which loss you say greater?

Kapil Karwa

The,26 case i dont pay revival premium loss would be 24,260 Rs would be greater comparitively to.

If i pay revival premium Loss would be around 16,000.

Whats your suggestion??What should I do??

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kapil-Then go ahead for payment and surrender it immediately.

Kapil Karwa

Thanks for the reply

Kapil Karwa

Got the surrender value of 26,165 rs after total premium amount paid of 38816/- whose MSA was Rs 29,248.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kapil-Check the same with your nearest LIC branch too.

Rahul Sharma

Dear Sh. Basavaraj,

I am also a person who have done this mistake. Can u please tell me how much amount i will get if i surrender this policy (Jeevan Saral) as i have paid my 3 policy years @ Rs-24000/- per annum and next is due on August, 2014. Sum auured amount was shown Rs- 5 lac. Please also suggest should i continue or not.

Regards

Rahul Sharma

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rahul-Better to continue until it completes 5 years then surrender.

Siva

I took Jeevan Saral Policy : Plan -165 below are the details of the plan.

Term : 25 years

Date of Commencement : 28/03/2012

Inst Premium : 6125(monthly)

Mode : Monthly

Sum Assured : 15,00,000

Age when plan started : 25

Could you please give me the exact maturity amount?

Also please let me know if it is good to continue with this policy? If not, when should I plan for an exit?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Siva-Siva-Please go through below comments, you find numerous examples to arrive at % of return. Your return of this plan will be around 6%. Better to discontinue once 5 years completion.

shomu biswa

Sir,

I like ur suggestions and I have a query for you. Im a bit late but still my question is, can I switch my Jeevan Saral plan with some other lic plans and what is the appropriate time for doing so…….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shomu-It is like coming out of one mistake and doing a one more. So come out of Jeevan Saral, but buy a term plan than typical traditional plans.

chanakya prathap s

Hi Sir,

I took Jeevan Saral Policy : Plan -165 below are the details of the plan.

Term : 22 years

Date of Commencement : 21/12/2010

Inst Premium : 24,260(Half Yearly)

Mode : Half Yearly.

Sum Assured : 10,00,000

Age when plan started : 21

Could you please give me the exact maturity amount?

Is it good to continue with this policy?

Regards,

Chanakya.S.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Chanakya-You can predict around 6% return.

M R Shah

Sir, I took Jeevan Saral policy when I was 60 yrs. Annual Premium Rs. 48040. I paid 10 annual premiums and now when I gave policy for discharge i.e on maturity , they told me that i will get only between 1.50 lakhs to 1.90 lakhs. I was promised by the development officer that I will recd more than 6 lakhs from lic on maturity. I have got a written presentation from him and on that basis i took this policy. Now it seems that LIC and its officers have cheated millions of people like me by mis-selling the policy based on some fancied returns projected by them.

Pls help me as to how should I recover my premium paid of Rs.4.80 lakhs from LIC or its agent

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shah-Sorry for your state because of few officials. But this is the reality. They sold you to increase their sales. You already paid the premium and there is no wordings on LIC bond which states the said return of Development Officer. If you have the written presentation with you now then why can’t you contact the branch or divisional office raising the issue. Please let me know whether you have any such presentation or not to guide you further. It is shocking that at this age you need to bear such losses.

M R Shah

Sir, I do have the presentation which my agent gave me and it is lying in my file for last 10 years. On that basis , I put in the money. Now the LIC agent is also shocked that such less amount is given on maturity by LIC. He says that he also was not knowing regarding this.

However, in laymans terms, agent has earned hefty commission , LIC has eaten the premium amount in 10 years. I guess due to Jeevan Saral marketing , lots of people are going to loose lots of money and this is clear Cheating on the part of LIC. Something needs to be done against LIC and its officers / agents.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shah-See the duality in agent’s mind. While claiming such high return I think he forgotten how much hefty commission he is eating. LIC never said that it give you such high return. But few agents or officers did such things to grab business. Let him be responsible for what he claimed. Otherwise remind him that you can sue him.

M R Shah

Ok, I will find the legal recourse by consulting my lawyer. However , I wish to point out that I had purchase the same policy for my wife, but the duration is 15 years i.e. it will matured in 2019. Pls advise whether I should surrender it right now since premium is paid for 10 years or wait for maturity.

Your advice will be greatly appreciated.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Shah-Better to come out of the plan is best solution. You can’t expect any drastic change in return.

Thevendhiran

Hi Sir,

I’m 31 years old, I have 2 kids below 3 years. I’m planning to take useful money back or term policy for my family safety. Please suggest one good policy.

I also have Jeevan saral policy from 2011.

Commencement Date : 24/05/2011

Sum Assured : 12 Lakhs

Policy Term : 15 Years

Plan : Jeevan Saral (T.No.165)

Premium : 14,700 Quarterly

Premium : 58,800 Yearly

Policy Expiry Date : 01/May/2026

As of now 3 years completed, I know it was waste paying this policy. It was taken by my father-in-law for my wife in her name since the agent suggest this was one of the best policy in LIC.

After seeing your review, I’m planning to surrender this policy on the completion of 5th year (ie, May 2016).

If Could you please suggest me whether i can go for closure and take good policy for my kids.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Thevendhiran-Better to close and buy term insurance. Once your insurance need are fulfilled then go ahead with investment planning by choosing the right product.

Priyanka

Hi,

I must appreciate your efforts to bring these complex calculations to a layman.

You have mentioned ” I am working on this chart and soon will upload the whole Basic Maturity Sum Assured Chart.” Is this chart available?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Priyanka-Thanks for your kind words. I dropped the idea of uploading the MSA chart because currently this plan is not available for sale. Also finding your MSA will not be a big issue. If you visit any nearest branch with policy documents then they will let you know.

padmavathi

Hello Sir,

I have taken Jeevan anand policy in 2007 and my age was 24, and yearly premium is 21000/- term-16 years, Sum Assured- 300000.

How much amount i can expect on maturity.

Thanks In Advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Padmavathi-It will be around 6%-7%

Bhaskar J Dutta

Dear sir, i started the Jeevan Anand plan of LIC in the year 2010 with sum assured of Rs.2500000.00 for 25 years.I have been paying a yearly premium of Rs.1,03,114.00 since then and needs to continue till 25 years is over. I was told that i will get an amount of app. Rs.72,00,000.00 on maturity while the sum assured amount shall be paid to my family in case of my death. However, till date no such documentary proof has been provided by LIC or the agent about this Rs.72,00,000.00. Now i am worried amout the maturity value. Kindly give your expert comments & suggestion regarding the same.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Bhaskar-Please go through below comments you will get fair idea. You may expect around 6% return.

Jasraj Joshi

Hello Basu !!

First of all let me appreciate all your efforts that you are putting in educating all of us through these blogs !!

I have gone through this complete blog and I got much more clarity on Jeevan Saral.

I still havent got a clear picture on one point.

How should I calculate “Maturity Sum Assured” (without any loyalty additions) for this policy for a specific term say 10 or 15 years and for a specific age of the person.

So if I have taken a polcy in year 2010 and my current is 31 years and my annual premium is INR 48040, how can I calculate my maturity sum assured after

1) 10 years

2)15 years

3)20 years

4)35 years etc..

Is there any formula based on current age and the premium term?

Kindly guide me on this front.

Regards,

JJ

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Jasraj-LIC have their own formula to calculate the MSA. Your MSA value available on policy bond. Usually the Basic MSA was disclosed by LIC, rest of the calculation will be done based on your basic yearly premium, term and age of proposer.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh

I am phanikumar from Hyderabad. I have taken Jeevan Saral policy on 31/12/2013 with term 35 years and premium of Rs 9187 quarterly. As per the information provided by you I got the difference from Death benefit Sum assured and Maturity Sum assured. In my document, it was specified as Maturity sum assured is Rs15,37,410 and Death benefit sum assured is Rs 750000.

Please let us know is this fix for 35 years term, as I have a plan to withdraw the policy after 24 years. Is the Maturity Sum assured vary if I had taken back the policy after 24 years. Also let us know if there is a chance that the Maturity Sum may go high.

As per your information above i.e. Basic Maturity Sum Assured will be calculated by age and policy term

multiply that to your Basic Premium. So, My age is 28, policy term is 24 and yearly premium is Rs36748 (9187*4).

So is my maturity value will be 28*24*36748=24694656 which will become more than the Maturity Sum assured.

Also let me know if after maturity will i get the all premiums paid also except 1st year.

Please suggest me on this as I have taken this policy for my daughters future.

Thanks,

Phani

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phani-MSA varies according to term of plan. So lower term means lower MSA. Also when you choose a plan like 20 years then this MSA for 20 years will be fixed and there is no variation on this amount. It changes only when you surrender before 20 years completion (will not increase but decrease). You are getting wrong on calculating LA on MSA. Please do read my above post in detail to get a better idea. It is wrong selection for your daughter’s future.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh,

Thanks for your reply. So can u please suggest any good policies for the child’s future and economical growth. I am interested in only traditional policies..

Can you please do the needful..

Phanikumar

Also after reviewing your pages, I get to know investing in Equity and PPF will be more helpful for future needs. I have already taken a term plan in India firstlife for 40 years. So I am interested in improving economically only. So, is it fine to go for equity and PPF instead of Jeevan Saral..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phani-Good choice but do remember that equity investment is for long term. Hence you can start investing monthly if your goal is of long term. PPF is the instrument which you can use for diversifying your investment.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phani-Well choice….GOOD POLICIES, ECONOMICAL GROWTH and investment in TRADITIONAL POLICIES. Forget about your expectations from traditional plans. Also insurance must be in your name but not in your kid’s name. Because if something happens to you then your kid will suffer financial burden but in the reverse case. Sorry I don’t know the Traditional policy which can fulfill your kid’s dream. I think some agent may have such policies, as they are very much knowledgeable in showing exaggerated return to get business.

Phanikumar

Thanks for your reply Basunivesh.. Could you please explain me a detail about PPF, how it is going to handle in risk situations..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phanikumar-You can go through my post “All about Public Provident Fund (PPF)“.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh,

Thanks for your valuable suggestions. Could you please let me know if SIP (Systematic Investment plan) refers to Equity investment only. Also let us know is there any risks involved in Equity investment.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phanikumar-SIP is a way of investment. So it may be any investment like equity, debt or even RD. Yes risk is there in equity market. But to mitigate that risk you must use the SIP tool, selection of good fund, periodic reviews and of long term waiting period.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh,

First i would like to say thanks to you for your advice. I am planning to take PPF account, but in our near by post offices it is not available. So, I plan to take PPF in SBI or ICICI Bank which is near by. Could you please let me know if there is any difference in interest rates in ICICI and SBI compared to post office..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phanikumar-There is no change in features and return if you go with ICICI, SBI or Post office. Hence according to your comfort choose a banker.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh,

I am planning to save the money for my baby’s education and future (marriage etc).

Since we can save money in PPF only upto 15 years only, is there is another savings scheme which can give the same returns as PPF, so that I can plan two and fill my needs. Please let me know how National Savings Certificates (NSC) will work.

Also let me know your reviews on the SBI smart performer plan, is it any helpful.

Thanks,

Phani

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phani-When you are planning for your baby’s education and marriage, which in my view is of long term then why can’t go majority towards Equity Mutual Funds and part into PPF (as debt product). If you invest in PPF and again planning for NSC (which is again debt category and return is taxable) is not a good idea. Regarding SBI smart performer plan, it is a ULIP Plan and I am dead against mixing insurance with investment. So first buy a proper term insurance for yourself. Then based on your goal choose and start investing in products.

Phanikumar

Thanks for your comments Basunivesh.. I already own a Term policy. Regarding Equity funds, after discussing with you even I am more inclined towards it but just checking for other options. Also let me know since PPF account is available in post office, Sbi, ICICI banks is it possible if I can take two PPF accounts in different banks…

Phani

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phanikumar-You can’t own two PPF account in your name. Even if you do so and afterward if they come to know then the second account will not earn any interest. So you can take your own risk for such activity.

Phanikumar

Hi Basunivesh,

I have a doubt regarding the PPF account. I have taken the PPF account in ICICI bank before 3 months. My doubt is if after paying something risk happened to me, how much amount my family will receive. I am paying monthly 5k on every 1st or 2nd of the month.

Also when I am checking the PPF statement online in ICICI website, it was just showing the amount I am depositing every month. But not showing the interest I have received for the month and the cumulative calculations are not showing.

Is it will not show in the statements.

Please let me know.

thanks,

Phani

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phanikumar-In case of your death, your nominee will receive all the invested amount along with accrued interest. Your bank statement not showing interest, because they update interest part once in a year.

Amal

Hi Basavaraj

Any idea whether LIC has declared Jeevan Saral LA. This month Jeevan Saral has completed 10 years and i hope LIC will declare LA now.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amal-The current LA rate will be available in my post “LIC’s Bonus rates for 2013-14 and Comparison“.

prabhurams

HI sir,

I have taken jeevan saral policy after years before.i am paying rs 12248 per year.this is the third year.will i get the money this year.if so how much will I get?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prabhurams-Better to continue up to 5 years completion and come out of this plan. How much you get is the question answerable by LIC branch.

Ajay Kumar

Sir,

I Purchased 3 LIC Jeevan saral policy 35 year plan This december 2013 of Rupee 2,50,000 Each SA. My Age is 34 Year & I pay Rs. 36000/ per year. I wise to recive 7,00,000 Lac rupee after 11 Years From this policy. Can I got this. Please Reply Me sir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ajay-Sadly you can’t expect steep return from this plan.

Pratyay Bhattacharya

I have a jeevan saral policy with the following details:

DOC:28/10/13

Maturity:28/10/2029

quartarly premium:15312/-

What is the lumpsome amount I am going to receive after maturity?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pratyay-Please go through below comment, you will get an idea. Your return will be around 7%.

Ritu

Hi Basavaraj,

I bought Jeevan Saral in Nov 2011 (Age 26 yrs on Nov 2011).

My yearly premium is 48040 and Term is 20 years.

My husband (31 years on 2011).

Yearly premium 48040 and Term is 15 years.

Can you please suggest following:

1. Maturity value for both of us?

2. If both of us should surrender it or one can retain (may be 20 years policy) ?

3. Whats gud time to surrender? Before next due date (may) OR now OR after Nov 2015 (After 5 years)?

I would really appriciate your advice.

Regards

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ritu-From below comments you might have already got a fair idea about returns from this policy. So my assumption will be around 7% from this plan. Hence surrender both the plans once they complete 5 years. Doing the same mistake for the rest of the period is not a wise decision.

niles ambre

hi sir,

my age 22. i got Jeven Saral for 30 yera term.

my premium 510 per month.

as per your above clerification i am confused.

how much i get after maturity.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Niles-What is your confusion?

niles ambre

sir,

after 30 yers how much amount i will get garateed. (jeevan saral)

monthly instolment Rs.510/- with accident benifit.

above your giving information Sum Assured are not fix. , so i want to know about my maturity benifit.

raaz

Approx 4.5 – 5.0 lakhs

Sandeep

Hi ,

I have a Jeevan Saral policy for which I am paying Rs.46,452.00 per year. i paid my 5th installment on 11.02.14.

1) Please tell me the best time to surrender it. Now or after 31st Mar 2014 or in January 2015 before the next due date of 11.02.2015. ( what is special surrender value, is this including any LA or Loyalty Bonus)

2) As if today my surrender value informed over the phone to me by LIC is 173001.00 ( what a joke!!!) I am in no mood to continue.

3) is it possible to continue it without paying any premium and surrender it any time.

Please advise and answer all my question as my next step will be based on your reply.

Regards

Sandeep

Sandeep

Hi Sir,

Eagerly waiting for your reply, so that I can take the move ahead.

Regards

Sandeep

Sandeep

Hi Sir

Please reply to my query.

Regards

sandeep

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sandeep-Sorry for delayed reply. Below are my answers to your doubts.

1) Once you complete 5 policy years then go for surrender.

2) It is best decision what you are planning to do. Because even if you wait then you will not get more than 8% return from this plan.

3) I don’t think it is wise to stop paying and receive amount at maturity (which is also called paid up of policy). This waiting will be useful when you are nearer to completion of policy term. Hence in your case it is too far. So don’t opt for this option.

Sandeep

Hi Sir,

‘Thank you for your reply.

1) I am bit surprised why the amount is so less. I thought it would be 46,452*5=2,32,260 – 46,452(1st yr premium) = 1,85,808. But was shocked to know that the amount is Rs.1,73,001. Do you have any idea why this amount is so low as compared to Rs 1,85,808 .

2. The person from LIC said that if I surrender it around Dec’14 the amount will be bit more then Rs.1,73,001. He talked about some factor thing.

Please advise.

Regards

Sandeep

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sandeep-

1) They have formula to arrive at surrender value, paid up value or special surrender values. So they just follow it.

2) I am not sure about the calculation he did. If it is beneficial for you then definitely go ahead. But get the exact confirmation about the claimed amount of that guy and postpone.

Handeep

Hello Mr Basavaraj Tonagatti,

I had taken jeevan saral policy in March 2010 with Quarterly premium of Rs 6125/-

The policy is of 10 years. it means it will be matured in year 2020.

At the time of subscription to this policy my age was 25.

May i please know what output i will get after it gets mature.

your kind assistance is rquested please.

Regards

handeep

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Handeep-I think by below comments you already got a fair idea about the return from this policy. But I still maintaining that you will receive around less than 5% if the term of policy is 10 years.

Srikanth

Hi,

I have taken Jeevan Saral policy in 2010 for a S.A of 2,50,000 RS at an yearly premium of Rs 12010. Currently my age is 29.

please tell me how to arrive at the maturity benifit of this plan.

Thanks

Srikanth

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Srikanth-Provide me your age when you took this policy and term of plan.

Srikanth

Hello Sir,

My Age was 25 when I have started this plan . Policy term is 20 and the policy started in 2010 March ( Paid 3 installments till now , Yearly payment).

Thank you very much for your response.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Srikanth-MSA depends on your age while buying, term of policy and premium you will pay. Based on your data, MSA will be Rs.2,78,140. This MSA chart will be easily available with all agents. You can cross check my amount with your concerned agent also.

AFATB

Hi Basavaraj,

It is really a pleasure to have such a good knowledge sharing from you.

I need to know the expected returns for me,Details are as given below.

Policy Name:- Jeevan Saral.

My age when i took this planwas:-28 yrs.

Yearly installment:-60050/-

Plan term is:- 20 years.

Total Maturity Sum Assured:-1250000.

Can you pls help me calculate the amount which i would be getting @ of maturity.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Aftab-Currently LIC declared LA for term of 10,11 and 12 year policies. So going by current trend we can presume LA Rs.650 for Rs.1,000 MSA. So you will receive Rs.12,50,000(MSA)+Rs.8,12500 (LA @ Rs.650 per Rs.1,000 MSA)=Rs.20,62,500. Return on invest 5.35%.

Krishnan Iyer RG

I have taken a Jeevan Saral Policy during the last period of closing of the policy during December 29th 2013. The sum assured is 8,75 lacs with 10 years and 15 years each of Rs. 3573/= per month. When the policy arrived the MSA is 365085, the Death Benefit sum assured is Rs. 875000 and accident benefit sum assured Rs 875000/- Can you please make me understand how the amount of rs 365085 has been arrived and how LIC has come to this calculation since the total premium paid at maturity period of 10 years is 428760/- Is that the total amount at maturity is same printed int he policy bond. Or the maturity time bonus and LA will also be included in this amount. If the age of 40 years will have any difference in the maturity amount.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Krishnan-MSA is based on your age at the time of policy buying, term of policy and premium you pay. They have calculation on which they arrive at this values for each individual. SA which is also a death benefit during policy period is usually 250 times of your monthly premium. In this plan, as I mentioned above you will receive MSA+LA only but not any bonus. Hence if we include the LA to this MSA then you may receive the return from this policy around 7%.

NITIN KHARADE

Dear Sir,

I have jeevan saral plan for 16 yrs.

I am paying yearly premium of Rs.24,020/-

I have completed 05 years.

I want to know the surrender value.

I am not going to pay further premium.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Nitin-Please contact your nearest branch.

Saravanan B

Sir, I’ve taken LIC Jeevan Saral during Feb’2010. My age that time was 29 Yrs completed.

Yearly instalment Rs. 30,025. Insurance period: 20 Yrs (Maturity Year: Feb’2030). Sum Assured: 625,000.

I’ve decided to surrender this policy. From the above comments It’s clear after 5Yrs surrender penalty will be min.

Whether 1st year i.e., Feb’2010 will be considered as a year? After paying Feb’2014 Or Feb’2015 I’ve to surrender. Pls give your invaluable feedback. Kindly thanks in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saravanan-Your policy will complete 5 years after Feb 2015.

Saravanan B

Sir, Thanks for your reply.

Now I’ve paid INR 120,000 (Including first payment). But surrender value is INR 82,000 (Approx.)

After paying premium in Feb’2015 Total amount paid will be 180,000.

Will I get around 180,000 (After 5 Yrs). or Same as now 38,000 will be reduced. Pls suggest.

If around 38,000 will be reduced. I’ll surrender now itself.

Regards,

Saravanan B

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saravanan-May I know how you arrived at Rs.82,000 value? You will definitely receive the lesser amount than what you paid. But I am unable to quote the exact amount.

Saravanan B

Sir, The amount 81,990 exactly, data given by Authorised LIC office.

I understand i’ll get less. But there is difference between 38,000 (current loss) and around 5,000 may be after Feb’2015.

If I surrender after Feb’2015 will they pay back first payment also Pls..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Saravanan-If you surrender after 5 years then it will be treated as the plan of 5 years and you will get benefit accordingly. May I know which first payment you are talking about? I think it is about first premium payment what you paid, no in that case they already mentioned clearly that, if your complete 5 years then 100% MSA+LA will be payable but not your first year premium.

Indra

Basavaraj: I think after 5 year only 100% MSA will be payable and not LA upto 10 years. After 10 years LA will also be payable for surrender case. Please confirm and let us know. I am also thinking of surrendering my policy but confused whether i should surrender now (after 3 years) or after 5 years.

@Saravanan: You need not to pay 6th premium if you plan to surrender after 5 years. So in total you just pay 30000*5 = 150000 only including first payment and surrender anytime after 5 years from the date you paid your first premium.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Indra-It is clearly mentioned in Special Surrender value option of this plan that it must be a+b. Below are options in “a”.

1) 80% MSA in case of less than 4 years, 2) 90% of MSA in case term is between 4 years and 5 years, 3) 100% of MSA if paid for 5 years or more.

Now in point “b”, they mentioned as below.

The Loyalty Additions, if any, for the term for which the policy has been in force, as announced as at 31st March immediately proceeding the date of surrender.

Now it is clear from above two statements that after 5 years, you are eligible for MSA+LA. Hope I cleared your doubt 🙂 That is why I recommended to surrender after 5 years to get full advantage of surrender.

Saravanan B

Today I paid 5th premium. So I completed 30,000*5=150,000. I’ll wait for more one year and surrender the policy.

Thanks for both of you. As I’ve taken good decision based on your input. However there will be loss, but it will be minimum..

Thomas Dohling

I have received intimation regarding Jeevan Saral Policy. Gross amount payable is shown as Rs.46240.00, (payable on 20/03/2014). I have been paying yearly premium of Rs.4804.00 since 2004 and last premium was paid in March 2013. The basic amount is shown as Rs.36992.00 & Interim Bonus is Rs.9248.00? Should it not be Rs.48040.00 (the total 10 years’ premium deposited by me with LICI)??? I have asked LICI to clarify but they are silent. Could you kindly throw some light on the matter. Thanks.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Thomas-I am unable to understand what is your exact doubt. You are saying that you received letter from LIC stating that amount payable of Rs.46,240, whether this is from your end or from LIC. Also please provide policy details (except policy number), to guide you in a better way.

Rajesh

Hi,

I’m paying 6125 quarterly for jeevan saral and i’ve taken it for 30 years. Could yo pls. tell me how much will I get at the end of 30 years.

Please tell me the amount i’ll get if I close the policy after 15 years.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajesh-In both the cases your return will not be more than 8%. So now the decision is left with you whether to continue or not.

Pankaj

Dear Basu,

I have also took Jeevan Saral in July 2011.

Per month I am paying Rs. 1633/-.

SA is Rs. 4,00,000/-.

I was know – (This above SA value i will get after policy maturity in 2046. For 35 Years I have taken. + Bonus Amount which calculating by Rs. 250/- amonut. So by looking jeevan saral chart, i was know that i will get Total Rs. 30 Lacs)

Now, After Read your article – (SA will only the amount which will get my family if I loose my life. That’s it.)

(Great Word explantion from You.) (And In shock now for dont understand what amount i will get in 2046.)

I have talk on this matter with my LIC agent many a times, but never understand the concept.

God bless you for making people understand and Hats of your study.

I have read in above, some post you have mentioned that surrender after 5 years so we will get full surrender value.

a) I dont know how you have calculate surrender value? b) if above my policy details is also match for surrender policy after 5 years then I will plan to do that in year July 2015 OR should I continue only If i will get an amount on above Rs. 10 Lacs in 2046.

Mr. Basu, You are highely appriciated, to pls answer on above..

And I appriciate your list of answer’s and patience you have to explain people.

Thanks for good post. Awaiting for answer. Thank You.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Pankaj-If you complete 5 years in this policy then the policy term will be treated as 5 years. Hence no surrender but maturity at completion of 5th year. That is what I said. If you are satisfied with the kind of return (around 7%) by investing for 35 years then you can do so. Otherwise you can come out from this plan after completion of 5th year.

Kris

Dear Basavaraj,

Thank you for this wonderful article. My parents were sold two policies of Jeevan Saral by a pushy agent in 2010 and I had been paying the premiums for a few years. Generally I do not invest in instruments that I don’t understand, but this policy seemed too complicated and I did not scrutinize it, rather trusting the agent. The next installment is due in March and today I tried to make sense of the policy again, and your article came to my aid.

Here is the scenario. I have two policies with annual premiums of INR 30,025 each, term 30 & 35 years each, and MAS 11,23,500 & 13,18,535 each. I have paid 4 premiums to date with 5th is due in a couple of months. I am in need of advice, whether

a) To surrender the policy immediately

b) To pay this (5th) installment and then surrender

c) To pay till 10th year

I am NOT okay with the returns of this pan, and will be careful with insurance in future. Please advice.

Best Regards,

Kris

Basavaraj Tonagatti

kris-Pay the fifth installment and surrender. But at the same time don’t forget to have proper life insurance on your life.

Kris

Dear Basavarj,

Thank you for the quick and short reply. I have been trying to obtain the surrender value after the 5th (next) instalment from various LIC helplines but without luck. The current surrender value is INR 81,118 (against premium paid today INR 120,100) and I want to be sure that paying the next instalment will minimise my losses.

i. Would you any source from which the future surrender value can be obtained/ calculated?

Best Regards,

Kris

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Krish-Sorry to say that I don’t have any source to help you. But instead of calling to helpline numbers. I suggest you to visit personally to your nearest LIC branch or servicing branch and ask for the details.

Kris

No problem; I will visit the branch or try to get it from the agent who sold it to me.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards.

Kris

Dear Basavaraj,

Sorry to keep bothering you, but could please elaborate on the reccomendation to exit the plan after 5 years? Will it not be better to wait till 10 years and avail the LA benefit?

Can the loss of LA gains be offset by PPF/FD investments(in the 5yr to 10yr period)?

Regards,

Kris

PS: I understand it’s not possible to predict LA.

furiabhavesh

+1 to Kris’s question. I also wanted clarification on same thing.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kris-Advantage of Jeevan Saral is it’s liquidity option than other plans. If you opt out of this plan after 5 years then the term of the plan is considered as if 5 years and you receive all benefits available for 5 years term policy. Hence, I don’t think it is wise to wait for another 5 years by committing the same mistake.

Why you are sticking to only PPF or RD when your waiting period is around 10 years? Diversify your investment to equity too and generate the good overall return from your portfolio.

Kris

Dear Basavaraj,

Thank you. Termination at 5 years does not grant the policy holder LA benefits, which come into effect only at 10 years. Hence my doubt.

On a side note, it is confirmed that future (next year, LA inapplicable) surrender value cannot be predicted. So I will pay my fifth (next) premium, obtain the exact surrender value, and then take a decision.

As always, appreciate your help.

Regards,

Kris

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kris-Better you pay for 5th year payment then do your calculation of surrendering.

Kris

Thanks Basavaraj

Mayank Joshi

Sir,

I have the Jeevan SARAL policy with yearly premium of 36000 for 20 years , My sum assured is 8,90,000 Rs .Sir , I have been told that Endowment plans are Bogus plans which give very little returns compared to PPF , I am 23 years of age and I have paid 2 installments .Sir, can you give me an idea of how much amount I will get after 20 years and please tell me if I should continue with this plan.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mayank-No plans are bad if you bought it based on your requirement and understanding the details fully. But I totally agree that the plan you opted will not give you more than 7%.

furiabhavesh

How do I find my MSA ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Furiabhavesh-MSA will be calculated based on your age while taking this policy, terms of the plan and your yearly premium amount. It is based on a formula set by LIC. You will find your MSA easily by contacting your LIC agents (they usually have the ready made chart).

furiabhavesh

Thanks Basavaraj. Is the chart which you are talking is the one in below link ?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5vDCRMiQyDE/UA_JeDyozvI/AAAAAAAAAAU/zL2R6tlisAM/s1600/1924_IMAGE0297.JPG

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Furiabhavesh-Not this one. In this particular chart agent illustrated with return calculating at 10% which is impossible from this plan. You contact agent and ask for MSA chart but not maturity or other charts.

furiabhavesh

Thanks for confirming and helping.

furiabhavesh

I wanna surrender this policy (completed 3 years), according to you when should I surrender it which will give me minimum loss ? 3 years, 5 years or 10 years ? Currently, my risk taking capacity is high.

According to my agent, the returns will be +ve only after 10th year. Till then surrendering the policy will give -ve returns. So, is it wise to surrender it after 10 years ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Furaibhavesh-Better to come out after 5 years. Waiting for 10 years and booking profit of around 4% is not wise.

srinivas

Hi

I just wanted to know the good child investment plans. Presently, i am not having anything. My age is 29. Thinking of to save my money per annum in ppf upto 20 yrs for my son. Is this ok, or else, do we have any better plan.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Srinivas-First have enough life risk coverage (approximately around 15 times of your yearly income) by buying term plan. Then start investing based on your financial goals. If your goal is more than 20 years, then my suggestion will be to start investing in well diversified equity mutual fund. Keep PPF investment around 25% to 30% of your portfolio.

Amit

Hi Sir,

I have a Jeevan Saral policy from DEC 2009, I am paying quaterly premium of Rs.3062. I have few questions regarding this policy:

Is it advicable to continue this policy for 35 years?

If Yes, what will be sure returns + approximate bonus (if any) after completion of 35 years?

If I surrender the policy after completing 10 years, what will be sure return + approximate bonus (if any)?

Can I withdraw partial amount after completing 10 years and continue with the premium payment? If Yes, how much percentage can I withdraw?

Can I get a loan against this policy? If yes, how much percentage and the rate of interest?

Thanks,

Amit

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-1) Is it advisable to continue this policy for 35 years? -If you are satisfied with the return of around 7% after investing such long period of 35 years then definitely you can continue.

2) If you surrender this policy after 10 years, then return on investment will be less than 5%.

3) Partial withdrawal is not available. But you can have loan on this. Again, how much you get depends on the calculation and the term of your policy. So I can’t say how much you get loan amount after 10 years or 20 years onward 🙂

Amit

Hi Basavaraj,

Thanks for your prompt response.

1)So what will be assured returns after 35 years? My age is 26 yrs now.

2)Also, we have other options like RD, PPF and SIP which will give better returns than 7 percent. So do you think investing in such option is better rather than Jeevan Saral?

Thanks,

Amit.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-1) Even if you wait for such long then your return will be around 7%.

2) Yes, you are right.

srinivas

Hi

I have paid 2 premiums of jeevan saral plan (table no 165). I want to discontinue it. can you please suggest me the appropriate time to discontinue it. When can i get full surrender value.if i want to surrender it.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Srinivas-Continue till 5 years, then discontinue.

srinivas

Thank you

RAJU BANERJEE

respected sir

i want to invest 3000 per month for 10 years ie 120 months, which one is better RD or SIP of SBI ?. or i would diversify in both, if i so then by what amount,

I will be grateful if you kindly suggest me the better scheme for saving in any banks for best return.

THANKS

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-Start investing Rs.1,000 in Franklin India Bluechip Fund (G), Rs.1,000 HDFC Top 200 Fund (G) and Rs.1,000 HDFC Prudence Fund (G).

Rajeev

Hi Basavaraj,

I just need ur valuable suggestion on difference between JEEVAN SARAL & JEEVAN ANANDH (RETIRE AND ENJOY) Policies

which policy will give a good return on investment of 25,000 per year for 30 years term & my DOB is 21/08/85

Here am looking for more return as well as risk cover.

Please suggest me on this am very confused…..

Thanks

Rajeev Chavan

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rajeev-There are slight differences. But lot of common features 🙂 All of plans which mentioned by you are traditional plans and return will not be more than 7%. If you are satisfied with the kind of return then go ahead. Otherwise stay away.

Sandeep

Sir when you say ” 100% of MSA if premiums are paid for 5 years or more.”, does this means that I will get atleast the entire money that I have paid for those five yr or will there be a clause of “excluding 1st year” in this case also where i have paid the premium for 5 yrs or more.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sandeep-MSA depends on your age, term (in this you may say 5 years) and the premium you are paying. So I can’t say outrightly that you will get what you paid.

Sandeep

Sir, I took this policy at the age of 34 and have paid 4 premiums, thus if i pay for the 5th yr or move, will i be getting 100% MSA with no clause of ” excluding 1st yr) or else.

Sandeep

Sir, I took this policy at the age of 34 and have paid 4 premiums, thus if i pay for the 5th yr or more, will i be getting 100% MSA with no clause of ” excluding 1st yr) or else. My premium is 46452 PA and term is 35 yrs

Venkat

Hi Basavaraj…..

Much appreciated for this good post…. If I could read this blog before Jan 2013, I would be choosing some other investment.

I have one Jeevan Saral policy which is commencement date is 05/01/2013 and the next premium date is coming Jan 2014.

When i check that bond recently, found that the calculated MSA and death MSA are not markable as told by the LIC agent at the time. So, I plan to quit this worst plan. Could you please tell me,

1. if i quit the plan in second year (not yet paid the 2nd premium) how much will i get ?

2. if I don’t pay the premium hereafter, what will happen?

3. Without paying the 2,3,4,&5th premium, can I go for the surrender after 5 years? Will I get the full amount (which I paid for 1st premium) with LA?

My Policy details:

Age: 28 Years (at the time)

Yearly Premium: Rs. 57448

Term: 16 Years

Thanks in advance…

Venkat.

Venkat

Hi Basavaraj… wants to add one more point, my lic agent told, “The plan offers Auto Cover of 12 months after the policy has been in force for a period of 3 years and more”. what is this means????

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Venkat-First understand, if you not present today then for how many days your dependents will survive with the payout LIC will give you. Please do serious thinking and decide.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Venkat-My answers are as below.

1) If you quit within 3 years then you will not receive anything.

2) If you don’t pay the premium hereafter then you need to forget about what you paid already and the policy will be in lapsed mode where you will not get any risk coverage.

3) No you can’t do so. You need to first pay till 5th year then you can opt for surrender.

I know it is hard to say that forget the amount already paid. But this is the reality you need to face-Either forget the money you already paid or continue paying (committing the same mistake). The choice is yours.

Venkat

Hi Basavaraj, Thanks for your reply…. Could you please calculate, if i go for surrendar after 5 years, How much amount will i get MSA +LA=?

My Policy details:

Age: 28 Years (at the time)

Yearly Premium: Rs. 57448

Term: 16 Years

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Venkat-I dont have data to arrive at MSA+LA for five years. Hence I suggest you to visit your nearest LIC branch for the same.

Deepak

Hi Basavraju,

Greetings. I’m paying a premium of Rs 36,748/yr (Qly basis). I want to discontinue this policy as I have realized how stupid I was buying such a bad policy for my needs.

Date of commencement (I was 22yrs when I took this): 19/04/2011

Table : 165

Term : 25 yrs (Even though the agent convinced me that it is 10yrs only)

MSA : Rs 11,00,850

Please suggest me the best way out of this. I can push through two more years if I have to with a minimal loss by completing 5yrs. But then, I want to know how much would be my surrender value now(when i complete 3 yrs) and surrender value when I complete 5yrs?

I’m still wondering whether I’m eligible for Special Surrender Value (i.e., 100% SA after completing 5 yrs)

Eagerly awaiting your response sir.

Thank you..

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepak-The best way to come out of this plan will be after 5 years. But I am unable to tell you the surrender value as I don’t have data to calculate the same. Hence if you need more help then contact your nearest LIC branch.

Deepak

OK, can you give a bird’s eye view of amount I might get if I discontinue after 5 yrs?

One of the LIC agent said, I might get around 40k. But i’m still wondering what is this “Special surrender value” .. Isn’t that supposed to mean I can get 100% of money I paid back to me ??

How much will be my loss?

Please help.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Deepak-I am unable to give the nearer figure also. Because I don’t have any data to say so. Don’t believe agents especially when you are going for surrender. Instead contact the nearest LIC branch. Special surrender value for 5 years will be 100% MSA. But 100% what you paid. Again this MSA for years will be depend on your age and premium amount you are paying yearly. So I am unable to say exactly that you will get 100% of what you paid. But in my opinion “YES” you get what you paid with little extra 🙂

Ritesh Jadwani

Dear Sir, I am adequately insured (Rs. 1.5 Cr ) by term insurance plans of private companies – ICICI and HDFC. I am thinking of buying Jeevan Saral policy for my minor daughter (age=12 years). I understand she is not earning and strictly speaking does not need any insurance. However when i compare the returns as illustrated by an insurance agent, it beats FD / RD / PPF. Here are the details

Age: 12 Years

Sum Assured: Rs. 5 Lakhs

Yearly Premium: Rs. 24000

Tenure; 10 Years

Maturity Amount: Rs. 425808

This results in an IRR of 10.2 % (that too all maturity proceeds are tax free)

I have done investments in MF SIP / Gold/ PPF / FD and Jeevan Saral is just another means of diversifying. Is there anything wrong in my thinking, is the maturity guaranteed or wrongly projected by agent on higher side?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ritesh-Please let me know or ask your agent what MSA he considered and what LA he took for calculation to arrive at this maturity value. Then we discuss further.

Vishesh

Hi Sir,

First of all, thank you for such crystal clear description of JEEVAN SARAL plan.

I am 22 years of age, and want to start this insurance cum investment plan.

After reading your post, I got to know that we are going to pay extra than what is written on paper for Premiums. Like: some amount more for YLY, much more for MLY, much much more for QLY, and same around for MLY also. Apart from this, If we are going for deposit via ECS(i.e. by direct deduction from bank accounts then we have to shed 5% more on our premiums every month); and that will prove to be a handsome burden in the name of policy.

I was wondering if you can help me with – how should I pay my premiums to save as much as I can, I know YLY will be answer(obviously), but again starting this policy would be burden on me to shed out so much money at once specially in starting.

Actually I was planning for 36000 per year premium, which I am not able to decide how to pay(YLY/HLY/QLY/MLY).

Could you please help me out here?

Thanks in advance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vishesh-Insurance premiums always will be paid before taking risks. So if you are unable to pay the premium at the start then the only option for you is, immediately start yearly RD. Start investing for a year. Once this RD matures then buy the insurance plan of your choice. If you do so then you save on insurance premium and you earn a bit by investing monthly. But again postponing insurance buying a year means the premium will increase. Think of that aspect also. Apart from this issue, are you sure your choice is best by clubbing insurance with investment? Think twice 🙂

Prasad

Respected Sir, Please advise me, I am planning to take Jeevan Saral ( plan – 165 ), why because it emphasis more on risk. No doubt I will take another policy i.e. ” Term Insurance ” My Age is 08.06.1961. would like to take up to 70 years. ( may be 18 years term) Monthly premium payment Rs. 2500/-. Please give your comments. I am looking RISK and as well as Small Investment even though 4 to 5 percentage.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prasad-Before proceeding further let me know how you come to know that Jeevan Saral will emphasize more on risk? Can I tell you the simplest product to get the guaranteed return of 4%? PUT YOUR MONEY IN SAVINGS ACCOUNT where banks offer around 4% return. No risk…no fluctuation…everything is guaranteed. But NEGATIVE REAL RETURN=INTEREST ON INVESTMENT-INFLATION. Decision is your’s 🙂

Abhishek Saxena

My reply

1)The purpose of investing in LIC plan is for good return + risk coverage and also tax saving.And LIc agent gave me the pamphlet having details of maturity amount against term.So i had just given you a example that preimium of 1000 per month for 30 years gives the maturity amount around 22lakh.

2)My concerns is : Being 24year old and taking a term insurance,the probality of survival till 60 is high.hence all my premium paid on term insurance will be lost.So which is the suitable policy which give me good returns+death benifits.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-1) Please let me know what do you mean by good return? How much return according to you is a good return? Risk coverage-You will get term insurance at damn cheap prices these days then still you feel these traditional plans only have solution of covering your life risk? Also regarding tax saving-Do you feel LIC plans are only the best plans available in the market today to save tax? No dear friend…please change your mindset and do some research (even not believe me blindly also). Then you will come to know where you are heading. Please…

The agent gave you the details but have you cross check how this may be possible? I will assure you that from such traditional plans your return will not be more than 8% also.

2) Please let me know how you arrived at word called “PROBABILITY”? Yes you are right if you survive then you lose the premium you paid which currently cost you around Rs.500 per month. But have you thgouth what will be your dependents financial life without you in the future (after having a family). Life is uncertain so the first step of planning will be to cover those risks.

Abhishek

thank you sir for your reply..

Can you please suggest be a term insurance plan?Which i have to opt?500/- per month is so cheap really.

From LIC or any other firm whose claim settlement percent is high.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-For your age considering the SA of around Rs.50,00,000 to Rs.1,00,00,000 I mentioned it may cost you around Rs.500. Buy online term plan from ICICI, HDFC, SBI or any of your choice. But buy it now itself. LIC doesn’t offer an online term plan. Hence it’s term plan is costly even compared with other insurer offline plans. So go with private insurer of your choice.

Abhishek Saxena

Hello Sir,

I had read your blog and come to know a lot about instruments available for investment in market.

Like first u should have a term insurance then some emergency fund and park rest of the money in safer instrumnets like ppf,fd etc or SIP in MF.

But for a wise investment i am posting my comment to you.

My age is 24years.I am only 1year experienced in a private firm.

My concerns are

1)31dec the plans of lic are ending like anand,saral etc.So can i plan to take one.?

2)I had approaced an LIC agent,even i had search a lot about their products.I found jeevan saral giving more return.Why is it so?Like investing 1000 per month for term 30years i can get 22lakhs.According to their chart.But this is a very huge return.How can i get this.This is just a fraud i think.

3)As i mentioned i am 24yr old.Is is good to take term insurance now?I am single yet.;-)

4)For SIP in mutual fund.Which product of which firm i have to go for.?

Waiting for your reply.

Thanks

Abhishek Saxena

asaxena26@ymail.com

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-My answers

1) For what purpose you are buying this plan? Only for the reason that this plan will not be available post 31st Dec? If this is the case then NO.

2) Is it possible to share the details related to what your agent is claiming of Rs.22 Lakhs? We will discuss then you decide yourself who is right and who is wrong.

3) Insurance is cheaper when you buy it at younger. Hence my strong recommendation will be to have now.

4) Selecting mutual fund for your investment involves lot of things like your waiting period, how much % of your portfolio in equity and what is your risk taking ability. So without knowing the basic things I am unable to guide you.

In one way you are claiming that what your agent shared with you are all false and at the same way you are asking me whether to go ahead to buy this plan or not. Please decide yourself first.

Raju Banerjee

raju banerjee

sir I want to take pure term policy for 25 years . my age is 36 i would like to know from you frm where should i buy this from lic or from sbi? i m confused about the death clause

sir i want to make investment max 45000 PA where should I ? buying 100% pure bond or RD

Basavaraj Tonagatti

RAJU-Buying term plan depends on your comfort with the company. So I am unable to say the best company to go for term plan. If you are so confused then split the SA among chosen insurance companies. So how you arrived at Rs.20L to buy term plan? Does it suffice for your family to survive in case of your sudden demise? I found the undecided move from your end like how much you want to save as in a previous comment (which I deleted as a duplication of above) you said (Rs.30,000 PM and here Rs.45,000 PM). So decide yourself first how much you are able to save and for what purpose this investment meant for. Then we may discuss further.

RAJU BANERJEE

thank you sir for your quick response . sir i want to save Rs 45000 pa it was wrongly typed as Rs 30000 i arrived 20L keeping in view the yearly premium which i able to pay yearly. which is Rs 6783/- for 25 years though the purpose of my investment is to give financial protection to my wife and my only son after my demise. as i am self employed i have already three policies of lic.15 days ago i was duped by one of the lic agent he acknowledge me Table No 90 for half yearly payment Rs 20826/-. for 21 years. But when he gave me the deed it was Table 165 (jeevan saral) half yearly payment Rs21834/- but by the god grace i opted for free look cancellation and the lic has refund the amount after some deduction(Rs 21386) I had gone through several agents of Lic and SBI but when i gone through your comments i found that lic is not for investment and you had advise for term plan and PPF, which really touch my heart (thank you for your valuable suggestion). sir i want to know from you how should I diversify Rs 45000 PA for guarnteed maximum return?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-You are able to pay for the existing three dummy products but not able to pay for term insurance? You are able to invest another Rs.45,000 yearly but not able to pay for term insurance? Raju…first have a proper term insurance on your life. You are claiming as self employed. So my first suggestion will be to have term plan, health insurance for family and accidental insurance for you. Then create an emergency funding of at least 6 months of your household expenses. Once these are in place then we discuss about the investment based on your financial goals. You are always welcome to discuss the issue related to your finance. Hence first have the above said products in your kitty then we start slowly. What you say??

Raju Banerjee

thank you for your prompt reply, sir i had already an health insurance paying RS 4700/- pa for my wife,son and for myself, from last 3 years, I had also an accidental insurance from SBI paying RS 100 pa for me,and 3 lic long term policy and emergency fund in my saving account worth Rs 285000 in CBI and SBI A/c . sir pls guide me which and from where i will adopt proper term policy ?, is it better to purchase off line or on line? so that future disputes may not arise is there any hidden clause in term plan policy. which is the vital points should i take into considereration when i adopt pure term policy? all the agents either from lic or from sbi they give suggestion keeping in view of their own interest and the interest of their institution. you give free and fare suggestion keep it up sir . i m totally depend on you regarding pure term plan( for 25 years) and investment(RS 45000 pa) how should i proceed.?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-Good to know that you planned for emergency. Buying term insurance-I suggest you to diversify your SA among HDFC, ICICI, SBI or LIC based on your comfort (among all above mentioned companies or based on your pick). Also suggest you to go for online by declaring all material facts they ask for. Most important thing is to share with your family about your investments and whom to contact when you are not there, especially with term insurance.

Rs.45,000 investment will be based on your financial goals, which is not proper to ask you to share on this public platform. Hence suggest you to drop a mail to me @ basavaraj@basunivesh.com by stating your objective and goals. I will definitely help you.

RAJU BANERJEE

good evening sir,

I will be grateful to you if you pls clarify the reason of diversifying the SA among the companies regarding buying term insurance, though all the insurance body is regulated by IRDA.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-In the current scenario of competitive pricing in term insurance, a risk to one company many not be a risk to another. Hence few companies are offering you term plan of Rs.50 Lakh without any medical test. Whereas few still follow the same. So if you end up having a term plan where your claim rejected due to some reasons then your dependent will suffer a lot. Instead if you diversify then you are spreading the risk among insurer. That is the reason I mentioned to spread your SA.

RAJU BANERJEE

good evening sir,

can you state some chief reason under what circumstances the term plan policy claim may rejected ? recently i had visited some SBI and HDFC agents, I asked them about the death clause. they told me any type of death is covered under term policy, but if anybody commits suicide within one year then 80% of the premium is given to the nominee, and the policy will become null and void. but after one year all type of death including suicide is covered.and full SA is paid to nominee. Medical test is compulsory in SBI, But in HDFC it is compulsory for the age above 45 years and SA above 75Lacs. sir I want to take term policy for 20 lacs. sir at my current financial condition I want to end up having a term plan for my family cent percent full protection.so that i can fully relax as i am self employed person.

sir pls suggest me the companies which is most reliable and among which companies and what amount i will diversify 20L. But sir pls pls state some chief reason under what circumstances the term plan policy claim may rejected. I will disclose all the material fact honestly while filling up the form, beside is there any hidden clause?

I am giving one example for better understanding

suppose i had a nerve related problem, But at the time of taking policy i am normal. and i had not disclose it because i am normal from last 1 year. But after 5 years I died due to nerve related problems, will the claim be rejected?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Raju-Rejection of claim will be again based on case to case and company to company. So it is hard to say and list out the reason behind the rejection. But my advice to you is, disclose all material facts properly, don’t leave anything to hide from your end. Then I don’t think they have right to reject. Yes what you heard about suicide clause is correct and it will be same for all companies. As I said earlier, issuing a plan to you is again depends on company to company based on their underwriting estimates. Hence we can’t judge that too. But the best way is to have Rs.5,00,000 term with LIC, Rs.7,50,000 with SBI and Rs.7,50,000 with either HDFC or ICICI. At the same time, by naming these companies don’t estimate that I am fond of these companies. You can do your own research and buy also. But start with one plan and start to mention the existing covers in all future buying. So that they all know how much SA you already have.

Regarding the nerve related problem, if it is found that while taking plan you are 100% healthy and disease is post buying then no one can reject the claim.

Nikhil Chauhan

Dear Basavaraj,

I checked the details mentioned in my Jeevan Saral Policy document while reading this excellent blog. My HLY premium for Jeevan saral policy is 19711 (19304.75 + 406.25) In my Jeevan saral policy document (which I purchased in 2011 at the age of 32, for the policy term 25 years), following figures are mentioned:

Maturity Sum Assured: Blank

Death benefit Sum Assured under main plan (Rs.): 812500

Accident Benefit Sum Assured (Rs.): 812500

Installment premium for main plan (Rs.): 19304.75

Installment Accident Benefit Premium (Rs.): 406.25

Total Premium (Rs.): 19711.00 (Half Yearly)

Policy Term: 25 Years

At the first instance which I found wrong here is Maturity Sum Assured in not mentioned. Is this usual for LIC or should I run to LIC for making this correct.

Second can you advice, if I surrender this after 5 years after making 5 year premium payments will it be a good decision, and how much will I get then.

or should I continue this till maturity, what will be the maturity value roughly after 25 years…

Thanks In advance..

I really appreciate your efforts for spreading so much awareness about jeevan saral and then only I came to know that for Jeevan saral seems to be a cheater policy and LIC agents is the worst caste in field of investment and most of them are picking our’s pocket just for thier huge commissions.

Eagerly waiting for your reply.

Thanks

Nikhil

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Nikhil-No need to worry about not mentioning MSA on your policy bond. I don’t have data related to 5 year policies, so unable to comment. Instead what I suggest you is to contact your nearest LIC branch, they will definitely help you. Better you surrender it after 5 years. No need to continue the same mistake again and again for the rest of 20 years.

anupam

I have been investing Rs18000 per year in JIBAN SARAL POLICY , three years have been completed, it is a policy of 15 years my questions are ….i) if i surrender after 5 years how much i will get

ii) if i withdraw after 10 years how much to get

iii) if i complete 15 years or more how much i will get

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anupam- 1) You need to contact your nearest LIC branch on this.Because I don’t have data to arrive at any figure about 5 years policies.

2) If you withdraw at 10 years then return on investment will be around 4%.

3) If it is at 15 years then will be around 6% to 7%.

Amit Aggarwal

Dear Basavaraj,

I have take Lic jeevan saral in august 2012 with Rs 15312(15000+312) quaterly premium. As agreed with the sales person coming directly from LIC that terms would be 10 years for the said policy but on my LIC bond paper date of maturity is coming as 25.08.2033 which comes to 21 years, however the maturity sum assured mentioned on the LIC bond paper is Rs. 14,78,600.

so, what do you think is this maturity sum assured is for 10 years or 21 years.

Thanks,

Amit Aggarwal

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Amit-It is not for 10 years but for 21 years. You need to check the term of the plan which is mentioned on bond claiming as 21 years and MSA also matches accordingly. Hence it is 21 years plan what your agent mentioned while buying plan. The simple reason is, he will get more commission by saying so than issuing you 10 years policy.

abhishek gupta

Hello Basavaraj,

Very informative blog, so i thought of writing you before investing.

i planned for Jeevan saral of Rs750000 with annual premium of 36030.

My agent told me i would be getting Rs2404440 after 20 years, i dont know exact MSA or LA.Even though he has given one pamphlet explaining premium & maturity.

pls help me is this really true? what would i get after maturity as per your calculation.

Thanks in advance.

Abhi

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-Before proceeding further, ask your agent what LA rate and MSA he considered to arrive at the maturity amount of Rs.24,04,440. Once you share this information with me then the real game of what is true will start. So hope you share this information with me.

abhishek gupta

Hello Basavaraj,

LA rate he told same Rs350 per Rs 1000. But for MSA he did not mentioned

i hope with this you can estimate roughly maturity amount after 20 years .

Thanks

abhi

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-MSA depends on your premium,term of policy and your age while buying. So without this information I am unable to calculate myself MSA. Either you provide these details or once again ask your agent about MSA he considered to arrive at above amount. Better you provide the information I asked for and we discuss about the actual return you may receive from this plan.

abhishek gupta

Premium – 36030 Rs yearly

term of policy – 20 years

my age 31 years

so pls let me know the actual return after maturity

Thanks

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-By considering above data, MSA will be Rs.8,16,000. By considering the current trend of LA for Jeevan Saral we can presume LA @ Rs.600 per Rs.1,000 MSA, the total LA will be Rs.4,89,600. So total receivable from this plan will be Rs.13,05,600.

Your agent not disclosed you the MSA, the reason may be that you will come to know the reality. The second thing he considered LA @ Rs.300 which I don’t think is fair. So this is the reality. Now the decision is left with you.

abhishek gupta

Thank you very much.

It helped me a lot .

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Abhishek-Pleasure 🙂

MURTHY P

SIr,

I have a Jeevan Saral Policy paying Rs.36030 per Year from Feb. 2009

Term is for 29 Years.

DBSA – 750000/-

Please let me know 2 things. Even an approximate figure would be fine

What would i get if i Surrender @ end of 10 Years?

What would i get on maturity? I dont know what is MSA?

Would it be prudent to go in for RD / PPF than continuing with this policy?

Please advice.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Murthy-If you wait for 10 years then return from this plan will be around 4%-5%. Regarding MSA read fully the above post. Yes it is wise to go with PPF (if you consider for tax benefit) or RD than this plan. But proceed after having proper pure insurance on your life.

Gajanan

Hi Basav,

Can you please calculate me the surrender value for jeevan saral after 10 yrs with loyalti addition for below details

Premium – 60000 Rs/Yr

DOB – 11/05/1977

Policy start – April 2008

If you have any formula please share

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ganjan-Do you need exact amount? You just look at previous comments and you come to know that return from this policy for the term of 10 years will be around 4% to 5%.

Gajanan

I don’t have any exact amount in my mind.I am thinking , as 5 yrs completed , may be it will better to complete next 5 yrs.It is very difficult to decide if we can surrender it now & invest somewhere else.

As you told earlier for Rs 50,000 & more annual premium , loyalty addition is 375 , does this help to increase the surrender value ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Gajanan-It may help you marginally but to large extent.

SHR

Sir,

First of all, thanks a lot for your highly informative posts!

I was recently approached by an LIC agent with a “pension plan”-like proposal that was essentially a set of around 20 different policies (most of them table 149 plans and a few table 14 plans) that would start maturing on an annual basis starting from a specified age. Since the total sum assured of this proposal exceeded some limit, I had to undergo medical tests, following which the premium for every policy in the proposal was increased by over 10%. I subsequently decided to reject the proposal because of the extra medical premium and also I felt that I shouldn’t commit myself immediately to paying the rather high net annual premium for a long period. The agent however said that any insurance policy I take henceforth would require a medical test because I had taken a medical test for insurance once. I have a few doubts in this regard – could you please clarify on these?

1. Is it true that once a person takes a medical test for life insurance policy but then doesn’t sign up for that policy (i.e. decides not to take up that policy), then any future policy he decides to opt for would require a medical test, even if that policy normally falls within the “no medical test required” category (for eg. policies with relatively low sum assured that don’t require medical tests by default)? Would the medical test reports have been recorded with LIC and hence any future policy may attract a medical extra premium?

2. When viewed purely from a long term savings or returns perspective (say 25 to 30 years at least), which of the two is better – Jeevan Saral or table 14? Jeeval Saral’s loyalty addition (Rs.250 for 10 years, i.e. Rs.25 per annum, annualized for the sake of comparison with table 14) seems to be less than endowment policies’ bonus (Rs.48 as per your recent LIC bonus chart) and hence when the intention is to use these insurance policies to provide a sort of pension after 25 to 30 years, it seems that table 14 is a better choice. What is your recommendation in this case?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

SHR-It is not mandatory to go for medical test in all insurance policies. Because each policy offer you different values of risk. Hence I don’t think what your agent is claiming is right. These days even term insurance of around Rs.50,00,000 are offering without medical. Also I want to clear you that during the policy buying all medical expenses will be borne by the insurance company itself. So no need to worry on that. Above all if they are claiming that you need to undergo medical test then go ahead. Because this will clear any future doubts about your current state of health.

1) What your agent claiming is entirely a wrong thing. I smell that your agent might have paid the medical expenses previous time and because of your cancellation of buying he might have borne the cost of it. Hence this time he wants to go with safe 🙂

2) Both are traditional policies. Hence you may not expect more than 6% to 7% of such plans. If you have a long term perspective then why can’t you opt for the PPF kind of products which will give you more than what such traditional plans give you. My strong suggestion will be to first have term insurance to cover your life risk. Then based on your financial goals start investing. Also if you have a long term perspective like more than 20 years then I suggest you to go for equity mutual funds also.

SHR

Sir,

Thanks a lot for the quick reply! I have already been investing in PPF on an annual basis and was looking at these insurance policies to supplement that (since PPF has a limit on the amount that can be deposited per year), as I do not want to go for MFs right now given the associated market risks. I have also taken 2 long-term Jeevan Anand policies already to cover life risk. With reference to your answers to my 2 questions:

1. The agent did say that the medical test expense would be borne by LIC and that if I rejected the proposal, I only had to bear the medical test expense; so on that specific aspect he doesn’t seem to be hiding the truth. But it is his claim that *any* future policy I take will require a medical test and hence the extra medical premium cannot be avoided that concerns me. Is a 10.5% increase in premium moderate or is it on the higher end when the only problem is a somewhat low BMI? And is there no way to avoid medical extra premium?

2. Yes, I realize that insurance plans cannot yield returns comparable to MFs but the risks of MFs is something I want to avoid right now, Given this constraint, which of the two is better when viewed from a purely savings and returns perspective – table 14 or Jeevan Saral?

Thanks and regards,

SHR

Basavaraj Tonagatti

SHR-Are you able sustain the inflation rate in the long run by investing in such low yielding products? Think twice and decide yourself. Do you know even in PPF and LIC policies do exists interest rate risk. So it is not right to reject outrightly the asset class like equity when your period of investment is long term. Ideal insurance cover should be around 10-12 times of your yearly income. Do all your existing policies have such sufficient insurance coverage? I don’t think so.

1) Yes regarding medical expenses what your agent told is correct. But the next part what he is claiming is 200% wrong. I don’t know why he is claiming so. Regarding charging higher premiums depends on case to case and the decision of underwriter which no one can predict. Hence I am unable to reply to you whether the rise in premium is right or wrong.

2) I still suggest you think twice of investing in such plans. The risk involved in equity mutual fund? You can reduce the risk by investing monthly and investing for long term. People who lost are those who have short sight and invested lump sum also. Now coming back to which plan is best, when both offering you the same type of return, I don’t think it is wise to say which is best.

Think and decide yourself.

SHR

Thanks again for the detailed response! I have extremely limited knowledge of financial markets (equity funds, shares etc.) and related investment options, which is why I was averse to investing in MFs and hence thought I should familiarize myself with the related concepts and market scenario before considering that option. Besides, I haven’t been keen on asset creation and only in the recent times have I even started thinking of asset preservation (i.e. ensuring that income earned so far doesn’t lose value due to inflation) – perhaps that is another reason why I didn’t give a serious thought to MFs. I will definitely take your advice and think further before opting for the mentioned policies. By the way, would it be wise to invest in MFs now for the sake of providing some sort of pension (i.e. income during retirement period), just like how insurance policies were put together by the LIC agent into a “pension plan”? If you have any blog posts that would help people like me who are totally new to MFs, could you please provide a link to that?

Thanks and regards,

SHR

Basavaraj Tonagatti

SHR-It come to notice that due to ignorance you are staying away from MF. I know including me all of us have first priority is to preserve our hard earned money. But at the same time money kept idle or giving you negative real return (interest earned-inflation rate=real return) will mean the depreciation in that value than appreciation. Regarding retirement planning, actually there are two phases. One is called an accumulation period and another is called a distribution period. If your retirement planning is of a longer term (more than 10 years) then you can start to build your retirement corpus by investing in any well diversified large cap fund. Once you are nearer to your goal then switching over to secured funding. During the time of retirement period you can invest the accumulated amount into any pension product (such as LIC’s Jeevan Akshay) and earn the decent return. But having said so, you need to calculate yourself the corpus needed for your retirement. Hence my suggestion will be first to educate yourself by google it on the same issue. Understanding regarding the basics of MF, if you google it then you will find plenty of knowledge platforms. Hope you go ahead with better knowledgeable investor than blind investor. Best of luck 🙂

NY

Hello Sir,

Your doing a great job in explaining the policy, keep it up!.

My wife enrolled in Jeevan saral begining 2010 with monthly Premium of 5000 for 15 years.

My wife age at the time of enrollment 31yrs.

What would be my return if i cancel now or after 10 years. Just FYI we moved to US after enrolling this policy. Would you suggest continuing this policy or cancel and enroll in something else?

Appreciate all your help

Thanks

NY

Basavaraj Tonagatti

NY-Thanks. Even if you wait for 10 full years then return from this policy will be around 6% to 7%. So my suggestion will be to close it once it completes 5 years.

NY

Thanks Basavaraj Tonagatti

Basavaraj Tonagatti

NY-Pleasure 🙂

Prabhat

Hi Basavaraj,

My name is Prabhat. I have asked my agent to give me jeevan saral but he had given me jeevan anand. I started jeevan anand in jan 2012 and paid two premium. I am paying yearly premium of 96,000 and the policy is of 15 years. Now i have some queries.

1) Is there any provision to quit from jeevan anand at this point as my premium is due in Jan 2014. Also how much amount i will get.or please advice when should i quit.

2) what is the total amount that i would be getting after 15 years when it gets matured.

3) Return wise, which policy will be better jeevan anand or jeevan saral after maturity. Please calculate on the basis of 96000 as a premium and 15 years as a time period.

4) Is there anything better than these two policy where i can get assured better returns.

My age is 29 years.

Thanks,

Prabhat

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prabhat-My answers are as below.

1) At this point you can’t quit as your policy not completed 3 years. So if you quit within 3 years then you will not get anything.

2) Both the plans are of endowment type where return on investment will hover around 6% to 7%.

3) In my view for the period of 15 years, none of traditional plans such as Jeevan Anand or Jeevan Saral are best.

4) Best option to me (if you are totally risk averse) then start investing in PPF than running behind these plans. At the same time cover your life by taking sufficient term insurance.

I don’t know what made you to invest such huge amount to invest in low yielding products. Think and decide because it is your hard earned money but not your agents 🙂

Kaushik

Basavaraj Sir,

I’m a Central Govt. Employee, working for last 1 yr (Covered under NPS). My present age is 29 yrs. Marital Status: Single. I am contributing Rs 2000 PM in PPF A/c. Still need to invest Rs. 24000 PA to save IT. Presently I have no insurance cover, so I was thinking about Jeevan Saral Plan. But by reading this thread I have come to know that Term Insurance is best. But in many comments you have advised that PPF is better than Jeevan Saral. Please elaborate this using 24000 Annual premium. and also advise some good Term Insurance policies.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kaushik-Your first priority should be towards having sufficient life insurance (by taking term insurance), enough emergency fund (I don’t think you need it being Govt Employee. But the ideal amount should be around 3-6 months expenses). Then based on your financial goals start investing in any product. Instead of running behind such low yielding insurance plans, better to opt for PPF (some portion of your overall portfolio) and the rest will be in equity (for long term goals like more than 5 years).

Elaborating the difference between Jeevan Saral return with PPF is a big topic. But I am assuring you that definitely PPF has an edge over Jeevan Saral. So go with PPF.

Maj S.Mamgain

Sir,

I took Jeevan saral at the age of 31yrs in 2004 with an yearly premium of Ruppes 47000. May I know how much will I be getting at the end of 10th and 11th yr. Pls let me know the calculation.

Thanks

Maj S.Mamgain

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Maj-MSA will be Rs.4,31,616+LA Rs.1,51,065 (LA @ Rs.350 per Rs.1,000 MSA for the premium band of less than Rs.50,000 per year). This is for 10 years policies. For 11 years there will not be much change. For detailed calculation, I suggest you to read the above post in detail.

Maj S.Mamgain

Thank you for your reply. May I please know the calculation. How you reached the figure of Rs.431616.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Maj-It is a ready-made table, which even you can get it from your agent or nearest LIC branch.

Maj S.Mamgain

Sir,

I am at my post in Jammu thus dont have access to all these details. Please let me know the calculation of the amount Rs.431616.

Secondly by colleague has Jeevan Saral with an accidental rider of Rs.841.50, will this is included while calculation MSA.

Pls reply my two questions and I will be done.

Regards

Maj. Sandeep

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Maj-No need to worry, you just contact your nearest LIC branch or call them and give the same information. They will provide you. Accidental rider is the facility where if the policy holder dies due to an accident then additional SA will be payable. So it will not be included in MSA.

Maj S.Mamgain

Sir,

This will be my last reply for you. I am presently in post, almost 175 km away from the civil habitat and from last 66 yrs LIC has not been able to open its branch near to this border terrain called Kargil and will never be . I expected a reply very simple to answer from your end however I believe you are not willing to answer the question of mine.

Regards

Maj. Sandeep

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Maj-I don’t have the exact formula to explain the same. But it will be available with all insurance agents which LIC provides. You are claiming that you don’t have access to the outer world. But at the same time you are replying to my comments. Dear…suggest you to contact your agent from whom you took this policy.

Maj S.Mamgain

Not to worry. I was expecting this reply.

Take care.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Maj-It was expected…because I already told at the beginning to your reply only that for better understanding of MSA calculation you can contact the concerned insurer 🙂

Sunny

Hi,

My father took Jeevan Saral policy in 2010 paying 46502 per year (no rider)..his 10th yr has completed do let me know how much will he be getting if he surrenders it today. let me know the amount in 10th, 11th and 12th yr. Do let me know the total amount with break up.

Regards

Sunny

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sunny-Please let me know the age at which your father took this plan. For better knowing, I suggest you to contact your nearest LIC branch.

sandip

my birthday-25/03/1981

jeevan saral-1500 per mahina doc-11/2009 kitana machurty 10yly 15yly 20yly 25yly milega

Parveen

Hi Basavraj,

Thanks for the good work you r doing.

I had take Jeevan Saral with monthly payment of 10000, in 2009 at 29 Yr of age.

Can you please tell me how much total amount shall I get after surrendering the policy at 5 Yr. and 10 Yr.

Thanking you…

Regards,

Parveen

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Praveen-I don’t have data for calculating for 5 years. But for a 10 year policy, MSA will be Rs.11,07,600. LA will be Rs.4,15,350 (LA @ Rs.375 per Rs.1,000 MSA for the premium paying policy of more than Rs.50,000 annually). So total you will receive Rs.15,22,950.

Parveen

Thanks Basavraj,

Thant means I’ll be earning approx. 3.2Lakhs, over an Investment of 12 Lakhs (10 Yr’s period).

I’ve decided to opt out of this now, even if I loose around One Lakh.

I’ll be putting that money plus some more on a piece of land already identified.

Going for term insurance for the life cover.

Thanks a lot for the info.

Regards,

Parveen

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Praveen-That’s a wise decision to opt out of this plan. But my suggestion will be diversifying your investment rather than investing in any one asset class. Best of luck 🙂

Vijay D'costa

Hi

I’m 39 years old and i taken my Jeevan Saral insurance policy for a 25 year term in May 2012 at 38 years , monthly plan, install premium -4999.84 +Installment accsident benifit 104.16 ,the Sum assured is 1612300,accident benifit 1250000, term rider sum assured 1250000.

Now since i have invested in a property I plan to surrender my policy where i have completed a 1 year 4 month payment through ecs scheme.

I had taken it under the understanding of keeping it for 15 years, ideally if i need money for my daugheters education

i could pull out the fund after 10 years.

My question is now if i close this policy for say after 12 years and use it for my daughter education , what sum would i get if I surrender on 12 years. What is shown in the table 165 are these figures just tentative or are they actual returns that you will receive. And if these figures are tenatative , how much returns is expected if i withdraw in 12 years as i will have overridden the penalty of keeping the policy for minimum of 10 years lockin.

Thank you in advance for your advice.

Kind Regards,

vijay

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vijay-If you close the policy at the end of 12th year then you will receive the MSA of Rs.6,72,100 (Age I considered as 38 years while taking this plan and monthly premium of Rs.5,000)+LA Rs.2,85,642 (LA @Rs.425 per Rs.1,000 MSA for more than Rs.50,000 annual premium band)=Rs.9,57,742.

Vijay Dcosta

Thank you so much Basavaraj , it is a deciding factor for me .I think keeping this amount in PPF yearly will be more benificial than LIC ,only here the insurance cover is not present. I will be going in for Term Insurance plan instead.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vijay-Good decision, go ahead. Definitely PPF will give you more advantage than this plan. But do remember that to buy online term plan.

VINOD GABA

SIR, AFTER SAVING LIFE RISK IS SECURED. ACCORDING TO MY OPINION TABLE 165 IS LOWEST PREMIUM TABLE ARE OTHER TABLES ARE COSTLY WITH CONFUSING PREMIUM AMOUNT. ALTHOUGH THERE IS LOWEST RETURN BUT LIFE IS ALSO SECURED FOR DEPENDENT. IN GOVT. AMOUNT IS BETTER LATE THAN NEVER. ACCORING TO MY EXP. PVT. CO. ARE NOT TRUSTWORHY. I AM INVESTING IN PPF WITH MAX LIMIT. AT PRESENT I HAVE SECURED MYSELF WITH NSC, BANK RD ETC ETC. MFS ARE MY 2 ND PREFRENCE AFTER LIFE RISK COVER. THAT IS REASON TO CHOOSING LIC. SO ONCE AGAGIN I REQUEST YOU MY ADVISE THE MATURITY AMOUNT OF THE SAID SCHEME. i AM ALSO THINKING WITH DAB. YOUR VALUEABLE ADVICE GIVE ME BOOST. THANKS WITH REGARDS.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vinod-Will you think that you are properly insured? I mean for how many years your dependents will survive if something happens to you today by that insurance claim amount? Can you please elaborate in detail?

VINOD GABA

SIR, MY D..O.B IS 17.11.1961. I WANT TO TAKE EIGHT POLICIES OF 165 TABLE FOR 18,17,16,15,14,13,12,11 YEARS EACH RS. 500/- PER MONTH I.E. RS.6000/- PER YEAR EACH POLICY. I WILL PAY RS. 108000/-, 102000/-, 96000/- , 90000/-,,84000/-, 78000/-, 72000/- ,66000/- RESPECTIVELY.

SIR, WHAT AMOUNT I WILL GET AFTER MATURITY OF EACH POLICY ?

IS IT RIGHT DECISION OR NOT ACCORDING TO MY AGE ?

MY WIFE IS PREFERING JEEVAN ANAND. BUT MY OPINION THERE IS MUCH & HIGHER PREMIUM PAID ACCORING TO MY AGE. PLEASE ADVISE ME WHICH IS BETTER ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vinod-Considering your age (52 years), I don’t think it is a wise decision. Let me know the reasons behind choosing LIC for your investment.

sudhir

Basavraj,

I took this policy for 26 yrs term and i am paying 60,000 per year. can you help me what is the final maturity amount i will get ?

Thanks

Sudhir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sudhir-What is your age when you took this policy?

Manisha

Dear Basavaraj,

Thank you for writing such an informative article & for taking the time to answer each & every question here. Truly amazing effort!

I have a question too, about my Jeevan Saral policy. I started the policy on 6th September 2010, and the annual premium is Rs. 48040. I have paid premiums for 3 years, but my fourth year’s premium is due now (before 6th October).

My policy term is 30 years, and my current age is also 30.

I just called LIC & they told me the current surrender value of this policy is Rs. 82016.

My questions to you are:

1. How did they calculate this value?

2. What will be the value after I pay the 4th annual premium?

3. Lastly, should I surrender it now or wait to complete 5 years?

Apparently, from the 10th year onwards, I get a ‘loyalty addition’ added to the value of policy. However, the amount of addition is not clear.

Plus, there might be some ‘bonus’ declared from time to time, which will also be added to the value of this policy. Again, amount is not clear. The agent promised me the moon, but I am quite doubtful now.

Thank you again for taking my question!

Regards,

Manisha

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Manisha-As your policy completed 3 years so they did like this-30% of total premiums paid excluding 1st year premium, all extra premiums and accident benefit/term rider premiums. Value after fourth year will be-90% of MSA. My suggestion will be to let it complete 5 years then choose to come out of this plan. In this plan there will be no bonus but only MSA+LA. For exact valuations of calculations you need to contact the servicing or nearest LIC branch.

Manisha

Thank you for your prompt response. However, there seems to be an issue with the calculation. On http://www.licindia.in/special_plan_001_benefits.htm , it says that:

Guaranteed Surrender Value:

The policy can be surrendered after it has been in force for at least 3 full years. The Guaranteed Surrender value will be equal to 30% of the total amount of premiums paid excluding the premiums for the first year and all the extra premiums and premiums for accident benefit / term rider.

Special Surrender Value:

80% of Maturity Sum Assured if 3 or more years’ but less than 4 years’ premiums have been paid; 90% of the Maturity Sum Assured, if 4 or more years’ but less than 5 years’ premiums have been paid and 100% of the Maturity Sum Assured, if 5 or more years’ premiums have been paid. The Maturity Sum Assured for this para will be the Maturity Sum Assured corresponding to the term for which premiums have been paid under the policy.

Corporation’s policy on surrenders:

In practice, the Corporation will pay a Special Surrender Value – which is usually higher than the Guaranteed Surrender Value. This value will depend on the duration for which premiums have been paid and the policy duration at the date of surrender. In some circumstances, in case of early termination of the policy, the surrender value payable may be less than the total premium paid.

If you are considering Special Surrender Value (i.e. 90%) for the next year, why not consider it for this year too (i.e.80%)? Am I missing something here?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Manisha- Difference between 90% to 80% is a lot. They can’t give you 90% without having that much premium payment from your side. Please understand, they are running a business but not the social service. Hence the rules are like that. For exact calculations like how much you paid, how much % of MSA they arrive at surrender value, you contact your nearest LIC branch.

Mitesh Agrawal

I really feel glad that you are doing such a great help to needful. Thank you!!

I’ve purchased LIC Jeevan Saral(165) a month ago.

Details :

Age : 25 Years 7 Months

Term : 25 Years

Premium : 2000/Month

Agent told that MSA would be 6,90,00 Rs for 25 years. LA would be Approx 11,50,000 Rs, so total i would be receiving around 18,00,00 Rs on maturity, is it correct?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mitesh-MSA in your case is Rs.7,25,220 (I considered your age as 26 years and term 25 years). LA will be Rs.7,25,220 (LA @ Rs.1,000 per Rs.1,000 MSA). So total return will be Rs.14,50,440. I don’t know on what base your agent calculated and arrive at such high returns.

Mitesh Agrawal

Thanks Basavaraj!!

bhoop dev prasad

Dear sir I brought a LIC Jeevan Anand policy with policy term 24 yrs, yearly premium 43603. Policy sum assured value 1000000/-.Commencement date :may 2007 at age 31 years . Please let me know my total maturity value once policy gets matured after 24 premiums are paid.

Is this policy better or do you recommend me to invest else.

Regards

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Bhoop-This policy will give you the return of around 6-7%. I don’t think it is best to get such low returns by investing such long period.

bhoop dev prasad

Sir, do let me know what to do next…

bhoop dev prasad

Sir waiting for your response.

Bhoop

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Bhoop-You can check out above comments. Returns for 10 years policy will be around 4%.

munmun agrawal

I brought a LIC Jeevan Saral Policy (Table 165) for 35 years, yrly premium 43653. Policy sum assured value 9,87,500/-.Commencement date :Feb 2010 ( age 34) Please let me know my total maturity value and what will be the surrender value if i surrender it after 5 yrs and when will the 5th yr will commence.

Munmun

munmun agrawal

sir, please excuse me the yrs premium is 47439 ( include 936.50 Term Rider)

munmun agrawal

Please let me know my total maturity value and when will the 5th yr will end. And shall I stop paying the premium after that. What will be the surrender value if i surrender it after 10 yrs.

Regards

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Munmun-I don’t have data to calculate about for 5 year policies. So better to contact your nearest LIC branch.

bhoop dev prasad

Please let me know my total maturity value and when will the 5th yr will end. And shall I stop paying the premium after that. What will be the surrender value if i surrender it after 10 yrs.

Regards

munmun agrawal

Sir,

Looking ahead to your response.

Regards

Munmun

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Munmun-I already replied saying I don’t have data for a 5 year policy. Please check above comments.

Manohar Singh

dear basav ,I forgot to tell u his age. His age is 25 and he has opted for this policy today.

Manohar Singh

hi basav – One of my friend has opted for jeewan saral policy and he has opted for 5000/monthly plan for a term of 30 years.He was moved toward it for higher return around n above 1 crore based on I.R.R calculation @10%. and he is of the view that even if return wold be @ 6 or 7 %, it would fetch him a good deal i.e., around 60 to 70 lacs. but I doubt . could u please tell me what will he get after 30 yrs?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Manohar-Your friend is very much satisfied with 6% return for the long run? Then ask him to put all his money into a savings account where he will get around 4-5% total risk free return. But inflation adjusted return of NEGATIVE. Ask your friend what will the inflation adjusted return of flat return of around 6-7%? It is a Zero to Negative. If he is comfortable with low return then even no need to take risk of investing in LIC also (where bonus or LA are yearly fluctuating).

As you did calcuation, the return of this policy even for such long term will be around 7%. If you need calculations then I will do it. But the point is, will your friend sustainable with kind of return?

Manohar Singh

first of all I appreciate your quick response.Yes I would like to know about the return. If u can please tell…….. Basav I am thinking of taking Jeewansaathi plan from risk cover point of view, as in case of any eventuality of either of the two the premium ceases and one gets S.A but policy still moves on w/out paying any premium further. My age is 40 and that of my wife 28. wouldn’t that be a right choice instead of going for individual risk coverage ?

manvi

I have jivan saral policy(table 165 term-35) ,which I bought at the age of 24 and year 2010.I am paying quaterly permium 4594rs(4500 for main plan+93.75 for accident benefit premium) I want to surrender it after 5 yrs.what will I get.

In policy it is written that Maturity sum assured is 791115 and accident benefit sum assured is 375000.pls reply

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Manvi-I don’t have data for a 5 year policy. Please contact your nearest LIC branch.

Rutvik Shah

Hi Basavaraj,

Thanks for the article and all your helpful comments.This might be a repeat of what someone already asked-but here’s what happened.My father bought Jeevan Saral in 2007 (10 year term policy).The basic yearly premium is 58,800 and accidental benefit premium is 1250.So the total yearly installment is 60050.The Maturity Sum assured is 198550.I think now since it’s realized that this was more a “risk” coverage policy than preserving the principal policy-he wants to surrender the policy.He has paid the premium for 5 years now.The part that I don’t understand is the Loyalty addition part.So basically

a)If he surrenders now(after 5 years)-what’s the surrender value of the policy

b)If he decides to keep it and pay the premium for next 5 years-what can be expected money he will get at the end of 10 years.

From what I understand-it’s better to take the loss and surrender the policy as the loyalty addition is something that cannot be guaranteed-but would like your advice.

Thanks,

R.C.Shah

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rutvik-My answers

a) I don’t have MSA and LA values for a 5 year term policy. Hence unable to calculate it. But if you contact your nearest LIC branch then they will help you.

b) Considering the current LA trend, we may presume around 3-4% return for a 10 year policy.

My advice will be to come out of this plan after 5 years.

Rutvik

Thanks a lot Basavaraj.As a side question-and i know you are playing a part in getting people educated,but aside from the fact that legally nothing was done wrong,my father feels cheated by the agent as he was told that the MSA was in addition to premium paid.is there any way to complain about such agents- who either themselves did not understand what they were selling or pushing products to people without full explanation.

Rutvik

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rutvik-Please visit your nearest branch directly and clarity the issue or visit the LIC site about clarification. Your MSA will not include your premium payment. You can complain directly to LIC. If they don’t heed than the IRDA.

Rutvik

Hi Basavaraj,

My father is getting some conflicting opinions on this and we have decided to write a letter to our LIC branch and get it clarified.Can you please tell me what does the MSA amount mean

a)Expect to be paid if you finish your policy term (all premiums paid over the policy term + MSA+LA)

b)Expect to be paid(MSA +LA)

Reading the policy documents-it seems (b) is true but my father’s agent is telling that (a) is true.

rutvik

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Rutvik-It is clearly mentioned even on a LIC site that maturity of this policy is only MSA+LA. You can visit “Here” to know the same. Now what is MSA? MSA is the guaranteed amount which is payable on maturity and is based on your age,term of policy and the premium you are paying.

So this is neither included your premium paid amount nor it excludes. Treat this as maturity proceed without connecting to what you are paying as premium. For your doubts (regarding A and B), below are my answers.

a) This is payable in case you are closing the policy in advance like you opted the policy for 15 years but closing it on 10th year.

b) This is the maturity proceed you receive on policy maturity.

Hope you got clarity.

Kabir

Hi… I am planning to invest in Jeevan Saral… following are my details:

Current Age: 35 yrs

Yearly Premium: 36000

Maturity Period: 15 yrs

My Queries:

1) What will be the MSA for a 15yr old policy?

2) What will be the returns at the end of 15yrs considering the LA rate of 600/- per thousand (This is what my agent promised as the worst case scenario for LA rates in 2028)?

3) Considering point #2 above; what will be the ROI percentage for my configuration with Jeevan Saral ?

4) What is the term rider in Jeevan Saral (which I read on the net – but my agent didn’t know about)

5) Lastly… if I have an option to invest the same money for the same period in PPF… which is a better option?

Thanks

Kabir

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kabir-My answers to your all quarries are simple. Whatever way you consider, the return of this policy is low and hover around 5-6%. So the best option is PPF (debt category) as you can earn more than this plan.

Kabir

Thanks for your prompt response… Can you elaborate on “Debt Category” in your suggestion… Is it any different than the normal PPF…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kabir-To simplify the meaning of Debt-All secured products are usually called Debt Products. They may give less return than other asset classes like equity. But you may expect safety and can use for short term goals as well as a diversification tool.

Kabir

Got it.. Thanks very much…

Sachin

Hello Sir,this is a quite informative.

But Still I am unable to understand the How to calculate Maturity Sum Assured.

I am paying Premium of Rs 122500/- PA,and term is 35 yrs,so what will be the Maturity Sum Assured?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-I need your age when you took the policy. Because MSA also depends on the age of the policy holder.

Sachin

I took the policy in 2011 when I was 29.

Also I need to know ,whether should i continue to Pay the Premium of should Exit after 5 yrs and should opt for a term Insurance?

Thanks in advance and really appreciate your quick response.

You are doing an awesome job by educating peoples about insurance.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-Then my advice will be to discontinue after 5 years completion and opt for term plan. Thanks for your appreciation 🙂

Sachin

Can you Please explain MSA in a chart form ?I am unable to understand the calculations.(I am not good at calculations) 🙂 thnks again for all your help

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Sachin-MSA stands for Maturity Sum Assured and is the guaranteed payout in Jeevan Saral. This is based on your premium, age and term of the policy. This chart will be available with your agents.

Ajit mundhe

I paid 3 years primium. 40000/-per Year in Jeevan Saral.my Age 32 years.i Cant Possible To pay 10years.but After 10years how Much amount i will get

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ajit-Return for 10 years will be around 4%. If you are unable to pay till 10 years then you can opt out of this plan after 5 years completion.

Vijays

Hi,

I took a Jeevan Saral policy in the year 2009 and I am paying a quarterly premium of 15000/rs. What will I get if I surrender the policy after 5 years or 2 premium before 5 years?

Thanks,

Vijay S

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vijays-I don’t have the data to mention the 5 year maturity. Hence better you contact your nearest LIC branch.

Murthy

HI,

I am 37 years of age now and would like to opt for Jeevan Saral with a minimum amount of Rs. 3064 per year for 15 years term.

Could you please let me know if this good policy to opt for as per my age ?

Actually, agent is suggesting me to go ahead with this policy (Jeevan Saral) for long period say 15 years or more.

Which policy you suggest to opt for, in case Jeevan Saral is not good one with returns ? I am looking for yearly payment of premium for 15 years, suggest me good policy.

Thanks,

-NP

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Murthy-Please go through above comments. You notice that return from this policy is low while we consider the current trend of LA. When you consider the return part of the period of 15 years then LIC policies (traditional plans such as Jeevan Saral or Jeevan Anand) are low yielding plans. Hence my suggestion will be not to go for any such plans.

RameshKumar

Thank you Basavaraj for the imediate respnse… In that case can you please advice which will be the best and good return plan in LIC for 15 – 20 years?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramesh-If you are able to satisfy with returns around 6-7% then go ahead with any plan like Jeevan Anand or Jeevan Saral. But in my view considering your time frame I don’t think LIC is best choice to you. Now the decision is left with you.

nagsen

my age 34 yrs dob 26/01/1978 my monthly income is 60,000. i want to take lic jeevan saral . monthly premium 4000. half yearly 24000. duration of pay for 20 years . is it good yo take this plan . im new to this world kindly suggest

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Magician-First thing this plan is the low yielding product. Hence I suggest you to stay away from this product. Second thing first cover your life risk with proper term plan then start to think about investment. The third and important thing is, don’t invest until you know indepth knowledge about any product. Once you are comfortable with in depth research then only going ahead of investing.

RameshKumar

Hi Basavaraj,

I read all the questions on your blog and seems that going with Jeevan Saral for long term is not worth.

Can you please clarify me on the following doubts to take a decision:

Date of birth 25/07/1978

Policy opened on 3/3/2010

Term 30 years

Yearly premium paid is around 16814

I want to know what will be maturity amount at the end of,

5 years (16814 * 5 yrs = 84070)

10 years (16814 * 10 yrs = 168140 + LA)

Also please advice whther i can go ahead paying to 10/20/30 or i can surrender the policy by the end of 5 years.

Thanks for your Support…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramesh-I already replied to your question. Go through it.

Ramesh Kumar

Hi Basavaraj Tonagatti,

Nice to see your reply for all the questions that people are giving. Now i got some idea after reading it… Please guide me on the below:

LIC Jeevan Saral

dob-25/07/1978

3/3/2010 policy started jeevan saral 165

term-30

premium-16814(Yearly)

Please let me know,

1. how much i will get by end of 5 years (Total amount paid is 16814*5 = 84070)?

2. How much i will get by end of 10 years (Total amount paid is 16814*10 = 168140)including LA?

What will be your kind advice, whether i can continue to pay this for 10/20/30 years or shall i surrender the policy at the end of 5 year?.

Thanks for support and guidance…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Ramesh- 1) I don’t have valid data to calculate the returns for 5 years. Hence I suggest you to contact your nearest LIC branch.

2) For 10 year policies and considering the current declared LA rate, you may expect around 4% return.

My advice will be to discontinue after 5 years.

Akhil Bhatia

I will certainly consider your advice before i invest in this plan, but if i do invest in this plan and take only one policy for myself for 1000rs per month, then could you please calculate the maturity amount for 35 years of policy term…???? please help me understand this….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akhil-In that case MSA Rs.5,24,050+LA Rs.7,86,075 (LA @ Rs.1,500 per Rs.1,000 MSA)=Rs.13,10,125.

Akhil Bhatia

Respected sir, I am planning to take Lic Jeevan saral (plan no 165) on the 19 sep 2013 which is my birthday. I’ll complete 24yrs on 19 sep 2013. I am planning to take the policy for 35 years term with monthly premium of 1000 Rs/-. i am bit confused on the maturity amount that i will get after completing 35 years, which means I would be 60 years of age when the policy matures. Also I have a doubt that will i have to pay 1000 rs/- monthly premium every month till 35 years of policy term??? i am sorry that I am asking such quetions but I am very amatuer and new to insurance. please help me understand this….

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akhil-May I know the reason behind choosing this product particularly?

Akhil Bhatia

sir, the main reason is purely a long term investment which also covers accidental deaths. and i am planning to buy 2 policies of 500rs/- each. so could you help me with the maturity amount I shall expect???

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Akhil-In such scenario, I suggest you not to go for this plan. Instead buy a term plan and invest the rest in simple product called PPF. Then your return will be higher than this plan. The rest is left with you to decide.

Aniket

Mr. Tonagatti,

Thanks for all the valuable inputs on Jeevan Saral.

I have this Jeevan Saral Policy running since 51 months (4.3 years) paying 5104 per month, total policy term of 30 years.

MSA mentioned is 2247000.

It appears that mis-selling of the LIC agent worked and instead of a proper life insurance he sold me a plan that assured him a cut for his life.!

I have decided to exit this plan and have already bought an online Term insurance at around Rs. 6700 p.a. for 1 cr cover over next 40-42 yrs.

Now my doubt is since I have already paid 51 months worth premium, should I bear some more pain and complete 5 yrs and then surrender?

I will look for Mutual Funds SIP investments as listed by you.

Thanks again.

Aniket.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Aniket-Yes better to complete 5 years then come out of this plan.

Parthiv Shah

Hi Basu,

IIFL(India Infoline Fianance Limited) issue non-convertible debenture bond on 17th September. The details shown below is mentioned on newspapers and sites..

“The NCDs have an option of monthly and annual interest payment and the yield works out to 12.68% p.a. for the monthly interest option and 12%p.a. for the annual interest option. The face value of NCD is Rs. 1,000 and minimum application is Rs. 5,000 (5 NCDs). The NCDs have an investment horizon of 3 years and 5 years. The issue closes on October 4, 2013.”

Actually, I don’t have any idea on bonds and never bought before. Can you Please provide me some information about bonds and is it good to buy or not ?

As per information mentioned above should we get such interest on amount invested for 3 or 5 years block.

More details given on site…

http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/IIFL-Public-Issue-of-Secured-Redeemable-NCDs-opens-on-September-17-2013/5776848924

Thanks.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-Pleave visit my old post “Shriram Transport Finance Company NCD July 2012-Review” You will come to know what they are and to whom such products are suitable.

Parthiv Shah

Thanks..

Parthiv Shah

Hi,

Can you Pl send me list of Mutual funds in which i can invest for long term ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-My suggestions are as below.

1) Franklin India Bluechip Fund (Growth)-Large Cap Fund

2) UTI Opportunities Fund (G) -Large and Mid Cap Fund

3) Reliance Equity Opportunities Fund (G)-Mid and Small Cap Fund

4) HDFC Prudence Fund (G)-Balanced Fund Equity Oriented.

Diversify your investment among these funds equally. Start investing monthly through SIP contribution.

Parthiv Shah

Thanks a lot dear.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-Pleasure 🙂

Parthiv Shah

Hi Basavaraj,

I want to invest in PPF. I read your article on PPF but don’t understand your calculation. I am 32 yr & want to invest 5000 monthly in PPF. after 15 years how much should i get ?

can you pl send me details … if i want to continue after 15 yrs in ppf, is it possible and what is procedure to continue or i have to open new PPF account.

Thanks…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-Please let me know what is confusing you related to PPF. Below are the calculations based on the contributions you are mentioning.

1) If your monthly contributions are within 1st and 5th of every month then Rs.15,99,760.

2) If your monthly contributions are after 5th of every month then Rs.15,88,684.

I considered the current PPF interest rate which 8.7%.

If you want to continue after 15 years then you can do so but in the block of 5 years. You need to inform the banker where your account is in advance .

Parthiv Shah

Hi,

I am planning to take LIC – Jeevan Saral Policy for 15 yrs with Monthly Rs. 1000 investment. My age is 32. Can you please tell me how much i will get on maturity ?

Pl suggest should i buy this policy or any other in which i will get maximum return…

What about Jeevan Anand Plan ? Is it good to take ?

Thanks.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-Please have a look at above comments. You notice that return from this plan will be less than 7%. So neither Jeevan Saral or Jeevan Anand are good plans to invest for.

Parthiv Shah

Hi,

Thanks for your prompt revert.

So if this plans give less than 7% return can you suggest me where can i invest for long term (15-20 yrs) where i can get good return.

Also pl suggest me for life insurance policy which should i buy ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Parthiv-If your waiting period is more than 15 years then definitely equity mutual funds will be the best options for you. My strong opinion about insurance is, you need to buy insurance only for covering the life risk but not for investment. Hence my suggestion will be only “Online Term Insurance”.

Albert Pinto

Hi, I have just taken a new policy this month (Sept 2013)of Jeevan Saral for 15 years term, monthly installment is Rs.1000, plz. calculate how much I will receive at maturity time. My DOB is 08/11/1966

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Albert-MSA Rs.1,52,830+LA Rs.76,415 (LA @ Rs.500 per Rs.1,000 MSA for 15 years policy)=Rs.2,29,245. I considered your age as 47 years.

Albert Pinto

Thank you for your prompt reply Mr. Basavaraj, so it means that in 15 years at maturity my profit will be only around 50,000/= as per your calculations. There is a similar scheme by HDFC, if I invest in HDFC, will the bank give me more profit?…

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Albert-Pleasure 🙂 Ask HDFC and let them claim in written about what they saying you. For your information if HDFC plan also of traditional insurance plan then don’t expect more than 7%. Decision left with you 🙂 Also let you caution that HDFC Life is a different entity than HDFC Bank. They may sell the HDFC Life products. So always be cautious when your banker selling you something. There is more mis-selling happening nowadays from bankers than agents.

Anshul

Hello Sir,

I have invested in Jeevan Saral last month with Rs 5,000/month (ie, 60,000/year ) for 35 year policy.

I am an NRI and my age is 29 years.

Please advice how much returns should i expect after 25 years (if I surrender after 25 years) and 35 years (at maturity) ??

And if this policy makes good investment for me ?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anshul-My answers as below.

1) For 25 years MSA will be Rs.17,86,600 and LA Rs.17,86,600 (LA @ Rs.1,000 per Rs.1,000 MSA for 25 years policies)=Rs.35,73,200.

2) For 35 years MSA will be Rs.25,35,600 and LA Rs.38,03,400 (LA @ Rs.1,500 per Rs.1,000 MSA for 35 years policies)=Rs.63,39,000.

Now decide and continue. Returns are too in such policies. I don’t know what prompted you to invest in this plan.

Anshul

So does this mean for my 35 year policy(5000/month) i should expect around 64lacs only?

Reason why i am surprised is because LIC Table 165 indicates return on this policy to be ~1.8 crores after 35 years.

How can this be reduced to 1/3rd ?? Does this LIC table 165 has any meaning in that case?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anshul-Please let me know the source of your claim. For your information “indicative return” is different which you may see on LIC site to the “actual return” what you get from your policy. Let me know the source please.

Anshul

Please type in google “LIC Jeevan Saral Table no 165” and click images.

Its according to Table no 165 – does that mean these LIC tables have no significance ?

this looks like fraud in LIC name.

this table can be found on many webpages/blogs and with all LIC agents as handbook.

http://licjeevanplanindia.blogspot.ca/2013/02/lic-jeevan-saral-table-no-165.html

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Anshul-LIC always show the “INDICATIVE” return as per IRDA guideline. But the link you provide shows calculation of considering 10% return. But will they guarantee the return? LIC itself just shows indicative return not the guaranteed return. So just imagine which is correct whether LIC indicative returns or the few sites showing such chart and misguiding all.

Mitesh

Hi

I have taken jeevan saral plan in 2012 and my DOB is 30/11/1988 and my premium is 12130(half yearly) and tenure is 21 years.What amt I will get if i surrender by end of 15 years and what I will get if complete whole tenure.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mitesh-Please go through all above comments. You notice the return what you can expect. If you still need specific then let me know.

Mitesh

At the end of 15 years ,I will get assured amt of 423540+LA(which may be arnd 6 to 10%) and at the end of 21 years I will get 591440 + LA(which may be arnd 6 to 10%) ..Is this correct?

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mitesh-LA will be a one time payment. So don’t consider that as a yearly return on your investment. Please go through above post or few comments you will come to know.

Vikas Bansal

I took Jeevan Saral Policy for 6000 RS annually on 1/10/1999. Please tell me when should I get out of this policy. I have already paid 4 premiums of this policy.

Query: When will be the 100% surrender value rule applicable on my policy. Is it just after paying 5th premium or I do need to wait for completion of 5 years.

Please feel free to email me on ervikasin@gmail.com.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vikas-Better to complete your policy 5 years then come out of this.

Vikas Bansal

Dear Basavaraj Tonagatti , When will 5 years complete, just after paying 5th year premium or I have to wait for 1/10/2014.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vikas-You need to complete the 5 years but not the beginning of the 5th year.

Mitesh

Hi

I have taken Jeevan Saral Plan in 2012 and my DOB is 30/11/1988 for period of 21 years with premium of 12130(half yearly). What amount I will get if I surrender after 15th year and what amt I will get I complete whole tenure.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Mitesh-Suggest you to go through the comments. You will come to know how much you can expect from this policy.

prakash

dob-30/11/1980

02/02/2012 policy started jeevan saral 165

term-35

premium-6300(quartely)

net premium-6431 including rider

maturity sum assured-1038954

please provide me final return after 35 in figure as lic software gives appx.4900000

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Prakash-Request you to calculate yourself based on the MSA available on bond and current trend of LA.

KANTI GOTHI

Dear Sir

MY AGE IS 33 YEAR

MY AGENT SAY ABOUT JIVAN SARAL AS UNDER

5000 PER MONTH PREMIUM PAID UP TO 11 YEAR – YOU GOT RS. 100000 PER YEAR RETURN FROM 12 TO 21 YEAR ( 10 YEAR) THEN AFTER (FROM 22nd YEAR) YOU GOT PENSION RS. 50,000 PER YEAR UP TO WHOLE LIFE

CAN IT POSSIBLE

IT IS POSSIBLE IN JIVAN SARAL ONLY OR COMBINATION OF SUM OTHER LIC POLICY

KANTI

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Kanti-Do you please share the full details on this platform so that everyone can come to know whether it is possible to get that much return or not. We discuss everything.

Phalguna

Hi,

I have taken a Jeeval Saral Policy,

Age 33 years

Policy started on Jan 2013

Term – 16 Years

Let me know how much maturity value do I get?

Thanks,

Phalgun

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phalguna-Please let me know your premium amount.

Phalguna

hi,

It is 24020

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Phalguna-MSA will be Rs.4,11,740 and LA Rs.2,05,870 (LA @Rs.500 per Rs.1,000 MSA)=Rs.6,17,610

Vikrant Sanghavi

Hi,

I have 2 Policies ( 1. Jeevan Anand 2. Child Career Plan – Table No 184 & Child Future Plan Table No 185) and i want to surrender the same & need your advise as to what will be my surrender value.

1. Jeevan Anand Policy – TABLE -149-21

DOC 09/07/2007

MATURITY DT – 09/07/2028

SUM ASSURED – 1LAC

PREMIUM PAID – FOR ALL THE YRS ..TILL JULY 2013

MY DATE OF BIRTH – 06/09/1977

PREMIUM AMT IIS APPX 10000 PER YEAR

2. Child Career Plan – Table No 184 & Child Future Plan Table No 185

DOC – 10/07/2007

DATE OF COMMENCEMENT OF RISK – 10/07/2012

EXPIRY DT OF POLICY TERM – 10/07/2030

EXPIRY DT OF EXTENDED TERM – 10/07/2037.

SUM ASSURED – 1LACS.

DUE DT OF PREMIUM – 10/01/2025

DUE DT OF PMT OF LAST PREMIUM MATURITY DT – 10/07/2030

DATE OF BIRTH OF MY DAUGHTER – 06/02/2007

PREMIUM AMT – APPX 10000/- PER YEAR

Now i am surrendering both the policies due to financial concerns. I need your advise, that can i get some benefits from both the policies currently & if i surrender then what will be the surrendering amount i will get for both the policies.

Awaiting reply.

Regards,

Vikrant Sanghavi

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Vikran-For exact values I suggest you to consult your nearest LIC branch.

Nazish

Hello Sir,

Please let me know my maturity amount as I have opted for LIC Jeevan Saral, my details are as follows :

1. At the time of taking policy I was 21 years old.

2. My Net monthly premium is Rs.1021/-

3. My maturity period is for 20 years.

I am a bit confused as one of my friend told me that the return is less comparing to PPF or RD for such a long period. Sir please guide.

Basavaraj Tonagatti

Nazish-Yes what your friend adviced to you is correct. In your case MSA will be Rs.2,80,120 and LA Rs.2,24,096 (@ Rs.800 per Rs.1,000 MSA). So total your return will be Rs.5,04,216.

Mehul gadkari